Not good for minority rights?

What are minority rights anyway? Pointless term. Minorities make a lot of noise/have it made for them but their rights are the same as anyone else's.

What rubbbish - it's in no way unjust at all. The reason why when white folk utter it, it's considered offensive, is because it was and is used as a pejorative and racist term against black people. When black people use it, it's not being used as a pejorative, racist term.

This is one of the biggest canards I've ever heard - what a thing to try and suggest is oppressive and positive discrimination. It's no such thing, and if you're truly honest with yourself, use a bit of perspective, and consider history, then you'd see this.



How or what is oppressive? That people aren't allowed to discriminate on certain grounds? How is that in any way oppressive? It's inclusive. Nobody is being oppressed, nobody is being forced to approve or like something they really don't, they are simply not allowed to discriminate on certain grounds - that's nothing like the same, and to try and make out like it is, is disingenuous.



Eh?

What utter, utter rubbish. I don't see anybody trying to be more equal, all I'm seeing is certain groups trying to be as equal by having equal opportuinities and discrminiation legislation reinforcing that they can't be discriminated against based on certain criteria.

The notion that that's the same as trying to be more equal is utter nonsense and smacks of the politics of envy.

which rather proves my point, I will listen to your view and respectfully disagree

you will declare anothers views as utter utter rubbish trying to supress it

you have rather unwittingly proved my point, cheers

There's a difference between calling it rubbish, and trying to suppress it.

I'm perfectly happy for you to brandish such canards, just as I'm perfectly happy to reject them. You have simply made claims of oppression that you can't back up with any substance - and that's what I've pointed out. Words mean something - it's completely fatuous to try and turn the tables and say that those that have been oppressed on grounds / criteria that the law now protects them from, have, in that process suddenly reversed the tide of oppression on their oppressors, because now they can no longer do so, without potentially breaking the law.

Words mean something - what you're asserting as oppression is no such thing.

I'm not sure why you keep mentioning ducks I can only pressume it's a new word you have learnt

If a word is offensive then the colour of your skin should not dictate wether if it is acceptable or not..to decide one colour can and another colour can't is racist and is unequal is that the fact you meant?

I'll try another one for you..freedom...now if you say whites are allowed to say it but coloured people are not then that would be deemed racist..the premise is the same...restriction/allowance based in colour is racist

I hope this shows you I am in agreement..words do mean something... more than your prepared to accept

been at the blunt end of said hate crime. not good at all, but needs to be treated like any other crime. categorising it is nothing new, statistics is statistics but it is one way of finding out how, why and what needs doing to end it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/canard?s=t - scroll down a bit. You're very welcome, I've just broadened your mind.



The word is offensive when used as a pejorative and racist term against black people - and - this is of key importance - actually got to be so, because white folk used it when being racially prejudice against them. When black people use the word, they are not using it as a pejorative, racist term.

How on earth you attempt to turn the tide of centuries of black people being oppressed by racism, to now white people being oppressed because they can't use the N word without fear of legal action, shows me there's no perspective, no actual consideration of the issues, just trying to eek something out of the situation.



That's just this singular focus on use of a word, with no concept of the history or background.

Honestly, you just sound like you've spectacularly missed the entire point of why discrimination law is as it is. It's because of the history of how people were treated, the oppression and abuse they withstood, and to a certain degree the terms used.

Why you think it's wrong that a term that for the longest time was used as epitome of racial discrimination against black people when used by non-black people, is the same as when black people use it within their own groups, shows me you're missing the wood for the trees.

In your own words, why is the N word such a contentious issue, and trigger point, now, when used by non-black people?

edit: and before I forget, where's this oppression you keep mithering about?

Et too brute.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canard

The biggest worry I have when they have these "protected groups" is it seems to be nothing more than political appeasement.

The laws already exist for the protection of people irrelevant of colour, faith, religion etc and another that worries me is by identifying people specifically as a group I feel actually raises the chance of them being victimised because of the elevation to snowflake status

making laws for individual groups makes a mockery of the law that claims to treat all people equal

What laws are being made for individual groups?



What do I care about wikipedia - are you trying to dispute the definition of an online dictionary? Really?

I thought you were chap

funny, oxford has it as french for duck also http://oxforddictionaries.com/definitio ... d?q=canard
if of course your after accuracy within in it's true origin?