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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:55 am 
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careful now wrote:
It's about how they drive :evil:


To be honest it's a bit of both. Riders doing a time trial will be totally focussed on what they are doing. And drivers not ready for riders going at that pace.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:45 am 
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careful now wrote:
It's about how they drive :evil:

It's about how they drive into you.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:22 am 
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at the end of the day;its your call would you do it.
me no way ;way to slow way to unfit;and bottle gone years ago'
a few years ago in a realy bad wind seen a bike going up a bypass being blown about
lady overtook him and made hand signals,inappropriate .and it stopt with me how can they not see
drive to the conditions.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:07 am 
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Tazio wrote:
careful now wrote:
It's about how they drive :evil:


To be honest it's a bit of both. Riders doing a time trial will be totally focussed on what they are doing. And drivers not ready for riders going at that pace.

This.

That combination, plus a driving public that has a significant (and perhaps increasing) component with absolutely no empathy or consideration for cyclists, normally, never mind when time trialling. Yes, it may be perfectly legal and sanctioned, but there's a lot of drivers that have no time for cyclists, and I bet there's a significant proportion of the population that are completely ignorant to time trials, and totally won't get the concept whilst normal traffic is also using the road.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:35 pm 
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There ar emillions of people with no times for cyclists on all types of road.

It's a genuine issue and worthy of consideration and attention. I don't especially blame time triallists per se. Theyre cyclists like any other, by and large as untrained as any other rider. Indeed, some may argue that TT'ers are liable to be travelling far faster than utility cyclists, and thus have to endure a lower speed diferrential with the prevailing traffic than you or I would.

The rider could have opted not to compete, but then could equally have been wiped out on a quiet country road while on a leaisure ride - lord knows I've scraped enough folk off tarmac over the years from residential streets and unclassified country roads.

To gently tut-tut the rider for being on this road is to admonish a robbery victim for being out late at night, or a victim of sexual assault for wearing a provocative short skirt. It's a lawful passtime, and a lot of people lost their lives in 2 World wars to enable us to enjoy our freedoms to the full extent of the law.

I would propose a more sensible approach - education and training for both riders and drivers, and stricter punishment to both deter wrongdoing and remove the persistently dangerous from our highways, be they on 2 wheels or 4.

Alas, you've got more chance of me being voted the head of the Church of Left Wing Lentil Eating Benefit Scrounging Socialists (and there ain't no chance of that!) than this taking place. Until then as a old copper, cyclist and professional cycle trainer I would urge all road users to act with thought and consideration for their own safety and those with whom they share the highway.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:21 pm 
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There ar emillions of people with no times for cyclists on all types of road.

It's a genuine issue and worthy of consideration and attention. I don't especially blame time triallists per se. Theyre cyclists like any other, by and large as untrained as any other rider. Indeed, some may argue that TT'ers are liable to be travelling far faster than utility cyclists, and thus have to endure a lower speed diferrential with the prevailing traffic than you or I would.

The rider could have opted not to compete, but then could equally have been wiped out on a quiet country road while on a leaisure ride - lord knows I've scraped enough folk off tarmac over the years from residential streets and unclassified country roads.

To gently tut-tut the rider for being on this road is to admonish a robbery victim for being out late at night, or a victim of sexual assault for wearing a provocative short skirt. It's a lawful passtime, and a lot of people lost their lives in 2 World wars to enable us to enjoy our freedoms to the full extent of the law.

I would propose a more sensible approach - education and training for both riders and drivers, and stricter punishment to both deter wrongdoing and remove the persistently dangerous from our highways, be they on 2 wheels or 4.

Alas, you've got more chance of me being voted the head of the Church of Left Wing Lentil Eating Benefit Scrounging Socialists (and there ain't no chance of that!) than this taking place. Until then as a old copper, cyclist and professional cycle trainer I would urge all road users to act with thought and consideration for their own safety and those with whom they share the highway.

Not sure whether you're including me in the "tut-tut" but that's not my take.

I'm not blaming the cyclist, nor time-trialists in general. Or in fairness - given I don't know the facts, not the driver at present.

What I do believe, though, is that cyclists already face quite a hostile environment on the road, never mind cyclists racing the clock. That time-trials for cycles mingling with normal traffic are largely an artifact of tradition, rather than would likely be sanctioned on pure merit, these days. Plus, I suspect most of the general public just wouldn't buy into it, in terms of it being valid, whilst traffic is around.

That's not to be a voice of detraction against it, per se - merely that just because such a thing largely was tenable, back in time, doesn't mean it always will be. Cyclists struggle to mingle with traffic in better scenarios, when racing the clock, it's got to be an improbable juxtaposition of opposing factors, these days.

All that, isn't trying to ascribe blame to cyclists competing in this way, merely to set some context. Whether it's this incident, or others, the cyclist may be a victim, as may drivers, that's really all I'm saying.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:52 pm 
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The dual carriageways around here tend to have drivers sitting at eighty five, and seventy odds on the non dual.

I absolutely stand by cyclists rights to access any part of the road network they are not excluded from, but there are many parts of it I would never consider safe to use.

The horror I feel when I see a cyclist on a road where vehicles are travelling at considerable speed stems from my own experiences of the same.

Especially here in the Highlands where most routes have a cycle friendly alternative.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:54 pm 
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I have just read that the car with the caravan was stationary in the carriageway and the cyclist rode inti the back of the caravan, nothing to say why the caravan was stopped though.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:55 pm 
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And another one bites the dust
http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.u ... story.html


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:40 pm 
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chrisv40 wrote:
I have just read that the car with the caravan was stationary in the carriageway and the cyclist rode inti the back of the caravan, nothing to say why the caravan was stopped though.





Ive only just heard about this whole thing, and in talking it through with my mum she pointed out the same, apparently the caravan and towing vehicle were stationary, and that is a clearway aswell which obviously means no stopping, so why the hell was it stopped?


In my own personal opinion i think theyre mad, id never ride my bike on clive sully in a million years, too bloody dangerous for that these days!


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