I'm not really a car nit, just transport to me. That said between us me and Mrs Chopper have had 23 Peugeots (I have a family.member who used.to be a big non at their HQ so we.could.have up to 2 cars a year at cost) and only one gave us any pain and that was slickly fixed under warranty.
Not my first choice, but when you can buy them cheap and usually sell them a year on at little loss.or.even a profit, why not? 23 cars from a manufacturer who many disgruntled poor 'quality', and one cam cover oilseed between the lot of them.
All this x brand is.great, y is crap is utter.rubbish promulgated by the UK press.and.blindly followed my a sheep like public.
I'm not buying that differences betwixt make are purely inventions by the press, and a blind willing audience.
I will accept there are an awful lot of people who will base their values on whatever Clarkson, et al, say about them - which, largely, is one of the most retarded things I've ever come to realise. Why average people would think that the criteria and values of Jezza and The Help, would be relevant to them, is a mystery all of it's own.
Satisfaction surveys, and brand reputation didn't just come about because of what the media would have us believe - and why would they care, really?
Relevant to this thread, I've fairly close experience of a Kia (Carens) and Nissan (Almera Tino) from around 2003 / 2004. Both looked to be similarly looked after, in terms of service history, and tells from under the bonnet, under the wheel-arches, and the general fittings and fixtures inside. In fact, I'd say the Kia was marginally better in condition. Quality and reliability? They're simply not on a par.
One of the regular issues with Kias of that era, is the door handles crack, inside the mechanism, rendering them useless from the outside - it's far from a rare thing, in fact forums show some owners have encountered it several times, one owner encountered it 3 times on the same vehicle. That's not a trivial thing merely to do with quality control - that's quite a known and clearly repeated issue with something being poorly designed or spec'd.
The gearboxes on those era of Kias are known to be fragile - many saying after 60k all bets are off. Suspension prone to maladies, too.
The equivalent Nissan? Well I'm sure it has some known issues - but over the same period, the number of trivial, yet draining, issues over the same period of ownership? 0.
Maybe that's just blind luck, maybe that's just one was looked after much more, but somehow wasn't evident in the fixtures, fittings and trim. And it's those little things, draining, yet not prohibitive, that do truly take the life out of it for you, with cars of that age. When you have one vehicle, where it's just one little niggle then the next, and it never seems to end, yet another, that hasn't any - or the ones it does have are so rare as to be suprising, that, to me, tells a story more than simply friday builds.
Now what I would say, is that brands like Kia and Hyundai have come on leaps and bounds in recent years - but still - where Kia is concerned, the model that I knew about, several of the regularly expected issues were still in evidence in the model that replaced it.
For cars like Volvo and Saab - of a certain age, and a certain size, many of the models were pretty damn bomb-proof. Late 90s and even more imposition of technology that didn't quite have the same degree of reliability put a lot more makes on a certain par level, but up to a certain point, there were some clear winners on longevity and robustness.
If there was really no difference between brands, people like taxi drivers wouldn't lean towards certain models, nor man-with-vans, either. And satisfaction surveys just pure damn luck, as opposed to certain trends appearing.
Now we can all talk from our personal, anecdotal experience - which will exhibit a certain bias, or note that there does seem some consensus. And that consensus, I'd suggest, isn't a media invention (since it tends to be able vehicle ages that are long since what the media seem to care about), nor truly about what the likes of Clarkson, et al, rap on about.
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