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 Post subject: Re: Justice?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:44 am 
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Alison,

Your beliefs do you credit. And I agree with them. However. NO innocent parties here. On either side.

Scum, PROVEN as scum, baby rapers, torturers, should die..........No?


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 Post subject: Re: Justice?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:51 am 
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Isaac_AG wrote:
I pay tax and I would rather pay the £40,000+ to keep a murderer in prison with an XBOX than see an innocent person die wrongly because the law got it wrong.
Innocent people die all the time because the law and/or authorities get it wrong, either children poorly monitored by social services like Baby P, or people killed by others who by rights should be in prison for previous crimes.

No system is perfect but people proven to have killed should die. We should have a sort of sliding scale though.

Convicted of stealing three times? Hand cut off.
Clean murder e.g. single gunshot to cheating partner? Lethal injection.
Dirty murder e.g. systematic abuse of a child ending in killing? Public stoning and beheading.

It's one of the things that unfortunately will never happen. Despite tougher punishment and/or the death penalty being popular with voters the pussies in Westminster and especially Brussels have decided we shouldn't have it. They want scum inside to have flushing toilets and the vote ffs.


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 Post subject: Re: Justice?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:56 am 
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my opinion is this.
if people who committed crimes like murder & paedohilia etc knew there would be a death sentence,
would that be enough to stop them ?
would it prevent that from happening ?
i would agree with a death sentence myself.
that way if someone chooses to commit such crimes they have basically chosen their own death sentence.
locking someone away & spending what most never earn in a year on them, to me is a criminal act.


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 Post subject: Re: Justice?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:03 pm 
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[quote="videojetman"]my opinion is this.
if people who committed crimes like murder & paedohilia etc knew there would be a death sentence,
would that be enough to stop them ?
would it prevent that from happenin

NO.
I am not sticking up for anything that this whole thread is involved with. BUT AND I MEAN BUT nonces are classed as they are sick needing treatment need help people????? I cant get my head round it but that is the way the prison system deals with these people they go on courses meet victims etc halleuya the mans fixd? 2 months later he's snached a kid.

These people are sick and will do anything it takes to satisfy there wants.
:facepalm: before I get on 1

PS wont be long when you cant call a nonce a nonce?


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 Post subject: Re: Justice?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:28 pm 
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technodup wrote:
I don't buy the death sentence as a deterrent argument- doesn't work in the US.



So what if it doesnt? I'd rather have my taxes spent on hostpitals and schools than to keep the lifers alive.


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 Post subject: Re: Justice?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:36 pm 
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why does the death sentence always have to be about deterrent only? at some point there are people who should no longer exist and their existance or non existance can only be seen a consequence of their action, a prevention of it happening again and some sense of justice to those who were victims of the crime?


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 Post subject: Re: Justice?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:26 pm 
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02gf74 wrote:
technodup wrote:
I don't buy the death sentence as a deterrent argument- doesn't work in the US.


So what if it doesnt? I'd rather have my taxes spent on hostpitals and schools than to keep the lifers alive.
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technodup wrote:
Paedos and premeditated murderers should not be fed, watered and entertained at my expense (nor should anyone else but that's another thread altogether). Give them two years on death row for right to appeal and then get them to f**k.


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 Post subject: Re: Justice?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:21 am 
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technodup wrote:
Convicted of stealing three times? Hand cut off.
Clean murder e.g. single gunshot to cheating partner? Lethal injection.
Dirty murder e.g. systematic abuse of a child ending in killing? Public stoning and beheading.


There are plenty of countries where such laws apply. They don't tend to rate highly on the list of places you'd actually want to live, though.

technodup wrote:
death penalty being popular with voters


If it were _really_ popular then we'd probably have it. But we don't. So it probably isn't. Just because you're mad for it doesn't mean that the majority of the population is :)


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 Post subject: Re: Justice?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:00 am 
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MikeD wrote:
technodup wrote:
death penalty being popular with voters


If it were _really_ popular then we'd probably have it. But we don't. So it probably isn't. Just because you're mad for it doesn't mean that the majority of the population is :)

http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpubli ... nalty.aspx

Polling is consistently in favour but politicians won't have it. It's one of the things they consider their opinion to be of more value than the plebs. I'm sure most of us would like income tax at 5% but strangely we don't have that either.


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 Post subject: Re: Justice?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:11 pm 
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A lot of people seem to confuse justice with revenge.


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