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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:23 pm 
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I've had conversations with quite a few people with different religious beliefs. Most seem open to debate about their respective belief system. Not sure I've ever out right questioned why they believe what they believe though. Makes for interesting conversation.

I've listened to some Podcasts that claim most religions were born out of magic mushroom trips :)



http://sagaciousmama.wordpress.com/2010 ... nta-claus/ :D :wink:


Spot on! :lol: Thanks for the link.

A book that's on my reading list: The Holy Mushroom: Evidence of Mushrooms in Judeo-Christianity


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:29 pm 
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Amazing to hear all the comparisons with Paganism, as if one dogma is superior to another, or more real because one adopted part of another.


Pagnism is just an offshoot of animism, probably the oldest set of beliefs there is. Paganism has been used to control the masses the same as christianity, islam etc. Arguably it was only when people realised how easy it is to control other people through fear and promises that religious organisations arose.

For what it's worth I don't think anyone has said that one dogma is superior to another, anyway no-one has a clue about what actually went onto the ancient 'pagan' beliefs, the modren stuff is just tree hugging rubbish, the ancient pagans were probably beating the shit out of the next tribe over because thier soul tree was bigger than theirs.

Mistletoe was used around the solstice to cause miscarriges in any newly pregnant women, to avoid having any more mouths to feed the next winter, as usual in any religion women always seem to get the short end of a rather shitty stick.


A couple of things in the above two quotes -

I think with the paganism thing, people are just saying that Christianity wasn't some amazing new invention, rather that it was just inherited, modified and probably most importantly, written down and distributed.

Mistletoe or as it was Mistletan translates roughly back to 'bird shit twig' so yes, it is a shitty stick indeed!!!

My own beliefs? I was brough up CofE but I believe in a god or gods, and certainly not the bible, although the old testament is quite an interesting word of mouth historical tome. The new testament has it's moments but I certainly wouldn't base my life around what someone said 2000 ish years ago. The reasons I believe in there being some sort of godlike entity are amongst other things

1. My tiny mind boggles at the fact that once upon a time nothing existed, likewise the fact that we exist only by coincidence, which the militant atheist/science brigade try and peddle - something which I compare to door knockers and al qaeda - i.e. shut up and live and let live.
2. As a gardener I am constantly amazed at what nature can come up with in it's beauty and brutality, birdsong, flowers, etc without wanting to sound like some sort of hippy, it's amazing no? Do animals believe in an afterlife? Do they need to? Again I find it impossible to be a colossal coincidence.
3. As far as heaven/valhalla/nirvana/reincarnation/64 virgins etc goes, I've had too many experiences to suggest that people simply cease to exist after death, and yes I am talking about ghosts and the like.
4. At the end of Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, if I recall correctly Abraham Lincoln tells everyone to 'Be excellent to each other' That's the best advice I could give anyone on how to live their lives.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:54 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:08 am 
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theproudhighway wrote:
lumos2000 wrote:
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I've had conversations with quite a few people with different religious beliefs. Most seem open to debate about their respective belief system. Not sure I've ever out right questioned why they believe what they believe though. Makes for interesting conversation.

I've listened to some Podcasts that claim most religions were born out of magic mushroom trips :)



http://sagaciousmama.wordpress.com/2010 ... nta-claus/ :D :wink:


Spot on! :lol: Thanks for the link.

A book that's on my reading list: The Holy Mushroom: Evidence of Mushrooms in Judeo-Christianity


lots of good stuf here too http://www.erowid.org/splash.php


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:42 am 
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My Karma ran over my Dogma :cry:


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(not constructive, I know. Just a bit of levity)


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:33 am 
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i think the simple answer is yes, you can question peoples religion.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:43 am 
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Just don't expect a logical answer.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:27 am 
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greenstiles wrote:
Just don't expect a logical answer.

To be equitable - and I'm not one to side with religion - but there's lots of aspects of peoples' behaviour and beliefs that have nothing whatsoever to do with, or any basis in, logic, quite outside religious beliefs.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:38 am 
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Indeed, but with religion...it's more so.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:00 pm 
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lumos2000 wrote:
The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is because vampires are allergic to bullshit.”
― Richard Pryor


Yeah, but to be honest a lot of British horror films would have lacked visual impact if all the good guys had to do was walk around waving a copy of the News of the World about to ward off said vampires. ;)

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