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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:21 pm 
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Wiki also says that 10 adults have been killed in North America by bears since 2010....


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No not lived in the states yet although it's on the list but have been to Canada a couple of times so.....

So why is wikipedia wrong then, it seems to be quite a competent source, the references given on this page....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fa ... th_America

are mainly from local news services/papers

I've just had a poke about on the US Forestry Service state sites and can find no bear attack figures just advice on what to do if you see a bear.

A few on G&F state sites..

http://azgfd.net/artman/publish/NewsMed ... ound.shtml

but these were mentioned in wikipedia.....


There isn't a lot of info on USFWS about bear attack numbers but there are some well documented case studies.....

http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/spe ... 022012.pdf

http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/spe ... Report.pdf

The sheer scarcity of such reports indicates that it is a very rare occurrence.

The number of gun related murders in the US however is incredibly well documented


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... rtbl08.xls


I try not to just throw things out there after a few seconds wiki browsing.


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10 people attacked and killed in 2 years is not a Rare occurrence...


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FairfaxPat wrote:
Wiki also says that 10 adults have been killed in North America by bears since 2010....


I'd take a rifle with me then.


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FairfaxPat wrote:
10 people attacked and killed in 2 years is not a Rare occurrence...


My apologies I counted wrongly and have ammended the numbers 7 since 2010 and 74 since 1980.

7 people in 2 years out of a population of 270 million is a rare occurrence to me.......


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Wikipedia is a largely unreliable source because unlike correct government figures it is made up of peoples opinions rather than facts as you are finding. It's a great reference guide but far from accurate when you are after truthfull figures and statements.

I asked if you had lived in the states purely because as you will appreciate, most have an opinion on something that often changes/modifies when it effects them first hand.

I myself had I stayed in Britian would have probably been one of the uninformed having an opinion based on emotion and a feeling of right but..now living here and in this part particular..the image of yankees running around wanting to kill everyone with their bunker full of guns is quite incorrect but like us most of their time is spent just trying to get by

The gun issue in the states is very much like most civilized countries have had. All countries at times have had times when our culture was gun driven so in that respect we have all been there.

we throughout history have faced the gun question and have moved on mostly from them. The u.s. as a country however is very much in it's relative teenage years so I am sure given time their time will come when they question the need for civilian gun use but at this stage certianly if any sense is to come from those poor childrens lives lost then at least a change appears it is coming and albeit a small change it would be a welcome change never the less and will be driven by the american people

That mindset change however small cannot be underestimated and should be encouraged


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7 people in 2 years out of a population of 270 million is a rare occurrence to me.......


Tell that to the family members of those 7. Those 7 people were probably unarmed. Their chances of survival would have been higher if they had a gun.

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I seem to recollect that a statistic from Bowling For Columbine was that Canada had a greater level of gun ownership than the States but yet a small fraction of fire arm incidents.

Perhaps what needs to be addressed is the attitude that some Americans have towards gun ownership.


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Bears shouldnt have guns.


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