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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:48 pm 
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ernie wrote:
It all falls down when people say..."why should i work , when i can get the same on the social... DONT HATE THE PLAYERS..HATE THE GAME..

I'm sorry, but for that scenario - whether it seems judgemental or not - I am more inclined to hate the players than the game.

Some people are victims, ended up in a situation they'd really like to not be in. Others seem to revel in it, and the whole easy option. Perhaps hate is a strong word for the emotion I feel for people like that, but it's certainly as much as strong dislike - and yes it's for them and their attitude, because it's choice.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:51 pm 
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Nice ''back peddling'' there FMJ 8)

FMJ said ''I don't give a flying crap about being PC''.......I think that says it all.......


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silverclaws wrote:
What happened to Great Britain, it was a myth that Britain was actually great, the great applied to all the islands that make up Britain to distinguish Britain from Brittany.





Wrong!

Britain was great, and still is.I live here!
"Great" Britain does not refer to all the islands that make up Britain.
The British Isles include Ireland, but Ireland, even the North, is not part of Great Britain...
I know it confuses you, but it does me too, but not as much as Holland, the Netherregions, and the Dutch.

It doesn't really matter what we call this country; it's more telling what other countries call us.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:34 pm 
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One things for sure....for such a little country....we punch well above our weight and I think we always will :D


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Nice ''back peddling'' there FMJ


Back pedaling? Are you on crack? What I wrote in my first post is in plain English. Your lack of comprehension skills is getting the best of you........again.

And I find it ironic that one of the most vocal members of the forum who's constantly whining about others misconstruing and countering his scattered opinions is so quick to jump on others. Kettle. Pot. You know the rest. I'm done with you and your hair-brained posts.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:42 pm 
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Hah hah hah....i actually quite like you too.....best of British to you :D :wink: :D


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Every government that holds office always finds new ways to reinterpret the figures, they all try to create schemes and ways of describing, just so the figures don't look as bad when they leave office, because every government that has held office worked for the day not the future and so nothing has been put in place to ease or even eradicate future problems, it is all a case of bodge it and leg it or if it's broke try and hide it so the boss that is the public don't get to know and that hiding of the truth is simply done by re naming various groups within the unemployed.

For example when industry left our shores largely in the 1980's sense would say we don't need so many workers for the future, so there is no point in breeding them to become a drain on the system by having to pay them a subsistence to live in our expensive country, but what have we got, industry has not returned and we have a high population, so those responsible in the day were not thinking and they are still not thinking as births are encouraged by the state paying a portion of their upbringing via child benefit. But they won't cut child benefit because the world is watching and it is true our government must keep up appearances.

Then there is immigration, the business community actually wants it and this was revealed in the Beechcroft report and that because cheap labour has the effect to drive the wage bill down so more profit can be made, fine for the migrant worker but the indigenous no and for the majority of the indigenous wages are already at the lowest they can get to go any lower means the poverty trap where one earns enough to keep off benefits but not enough to live and bring up a family which is expected of everyone and has been the societal model for decades, the go to school, leave, get a job, meet someone , buy a house, have kids, retire etc, there is simply not the money to do that anymore.

Then there is the unemployed who would like to work but won't unless they see security because they also fear moving into the poverty trap that is the minimum wage.

You see what the benefit claimant gets per week it so proudly states on the form; This is what the government says you can live on, which is about £20 less than a pensioner on the state pension and yet because of the cost of oil, inflation hits the people of this country hard and people will notice the government is never good at putting it's money where it's mouth is and try living on what a pensioner earns per week, they daren't because unless one foregoes certain necessities, one cannot make ends meet.

So what is the answer, well my answer is close the borders to further ingress of migrants which we don't need because there is not the housing nor the jobs and our resources are already straining through private companies that maximise profit before service. Second, I would put a cap on births, no point encouraging birth rates if we do not have the capacity to support them and with wages so low through little industry to encourage births we would be encouraging children to be born into poverty, ( many are already ). Thirdly I would launch a campaign to let Britons know everyone is this country is important even the unemployed, as morale has got to be lifted for this country to start feeling proud of itself again and through pride who knows what may start as right now this almost vilification of the unemployed is doing this country harm, we are fracturing and dividing and as most would understand together we might stand a chance, but divided we will fall lower than we have done.

That is of course if the mandarins that rule this country want it to thrive, as if they don't there is little hope our politicians will ever lead us down the right path.


Oh and erm Great Britain to include Ireland was formed in 1801, so in effect the the Irish war of independence in 1921 should have ended Great Britain if it were not for the Northern Irish staying on board, but prior to 1801 Great Britain did not include Ireland and the Great was to differentiate between Britain and Brittany which phonetically sound the same and Britons did not want to be mistaken for Bretons.


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Every government that holds office always finds new ways to reinterpret the figures, they all try to create schemes and ways of describing, just so the figures don't look as bad when they leave office, because every government that has held office worked for the day not the future and so nothing has been put in place to ease or even eradicate future problems, it is all a case of bodge it and leg it or if it's broke try and hide it so the boss that is the public don't get to know and that hiding of the truth is simply done by re naming various groups within the unemployed.

For example when industry left our shores largely in the 1980's sense would say we don't need so many workers for the future, so there is no point in breeding them to become a drain on the system by having to pay them a subsistence to live in our expensive country, but what have we got, industry has not returned and we have a high population, so those responsible in the day were not thinking and they are still not thinking as births are encouraged by the state paying a portion of their upbringing via child benefit. But they won't cut child benefit because the world is watching and it is true our government must keep up appearances.

Then there is immigration, the business community actually wants it and this was revealed in the Beechcroft report and that because cheap labour has the effect to drive the wage bill down so more profit can be made, fine for the migrant worker but the indigenous no and for the majority of the indigenous wages are already at the lowest they can get to go any lower means the poverty trap where one earns enough to keep off benefits but not enough to live and bring up a family which is expected of everyone and has been the societal model for decades, the go to school, leave, get a job, meet someone , buy a house, have kids, retire etc, there is simply not the money to do that anymore.

Then there is the unemployed who would like to work but won't unless they see security because they also fear moving into the poverty trap that is the minimum wage.

You see what the benefit claimant gets per week it so proudly states on the form; This is what the government says you can live on, which is about £20 less than a pensioner on the state pension and yet because of the cost of oil, inflation hits the people of this country hard and people will notice the government is never good at putting it's money where it's mouth is and try living on what a pensioner earns per week, they daren't because unless one foregoes certain necessities, one cannot make ends meet.

So what is the answer, well my answer is close the borders to further ingress of migrants which we don't need because there is not the housing nor the jobs and our resources are already straining through private companies that maximise profit before service. Second, I would put a cap on births, no point encouraging birth rates if we do not have the capacity to support them and with wages so low through little industry to encourage births we would be encouraging children to be born into poverty, ( many are already ). Thirdly I would launch a campaign to let Britons know everyone is this country is important even the unemployed, as morale has got to be lifted for this country to start feeling proud of itself again and through pride who knows what may start as right now this almost vilification of the unemployed is doing this country harm, we are fracturing and dividing and as most would understand together we might stand a chance, but divided we will fall lower than we have done.

That is of course if the mandarins that rule this country want it to thrive, as if they don't there is little hope our politicians will ever lead us down the right path.


Oh and erm Great Britain to include Ireland was formed in 1801, so in effect the the Irish war of independence in 1921 should have ended Great Britain if it were not for the Northern Irish staying on board, but prior to 1801 Great Britain did not include Ireland and the Great was to differentiate between Britain and Brittany which phonetically sound the same and Britons did not want to be mistaken for Bretons.


If you're going to spout shite then at least get some facts right.
Great Britain has never included any part of Ireland. The "United Kingdom of Great Britain an Ireland" was formed in 1901. After 1921, it was "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"
I couldn't be arsed to read the rest; thanks for making it the last paragraph.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:31 am 
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@ Surburbanreuban

Well at least though I might be a disagreeable bar steward I am not offensive with it, whereas you are, so be proud if yourself and be seen for what you are.

Have a nice day.


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calm down dears it's only a commercial


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