I think the majority of mid range bikes are totally crap
Take the newer Orange Pure7 for instance
Retail price- £1000
Yes you get a fork.In this case its a RockShox Tora 302 Solo [retail £180]Hardly a great fork but its designed to be 5" so its really only used because it looks the part,implies its for a use like racing all mountain but its not a lot better than a standard suntour sus fork[aka -flexy]
Brakes-Avid elixer3 -Again hardly the top end or even mid range.they do the job but only just.
Frame- Yes cromo,or as they like to introduce it Pure 100% cromo but massively heavier than my clockwork frame which is touted at about the same price/level
Wheels- mavic 119 on deore 525. Not bad but the rims are a bit on the soft side and in a world of easy to use and replace cartridge bearings have opted for cup and cone.seems to me a cost cutting exercise
Drivetrain- Very middle of the road.Keeping tradition of using a rear mech from a more expensive groupset to give the overall appearance of high end when the rest of the parts are low end alivio.
Other bits- Again a smattering of nice parts like the bel air saddle and conti tyres .Raceface post/stem and bars is hardly the best they could have chosen,more likely picked for their associated heritage
Looks the part.The forks make it look better than it is or at least imply such.
Clockwork equivalent for a Grand would have had more or less a complete LX groupset[forks werent available as much as now so i havent factored them in
just really comparing the other parts.
Overpriced and overweight would be my assessment
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