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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:22 am 
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I do get what some on here are saying. Really. I do.

Just makes me sad, what's happening to our country. When did it become OK for a child to be treated like this ? A CHILD.

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A child.An old age pensioner.A member of the general public.I hope finally people are understanding how the police view us as members of the community.
Viewed as a potential threat first and foremost.
Look at this statement-[sorry m8 but its your use of the terminology]
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The lad was demonstrating profiled offender behaviour and the officer deployed primary control skills to handle it. Legal, proportionate, by the book. Not liking it doesnt really change that it was technically spot on.

'Profiled offender behaviour' Quite a far reaching phrase that is,isnt it? Since when was riding a bike classed as criminal behaviour? Maybe its because he rode a little too close.A bit like those escape from stalag 17 type movies 'You cross Ze wire ,you get shot'[poor nazi guard impression :oops: ]

'officer deployed primary control skills ' The use of language here scares the shit out of me.It appears like these skills are about violence in a pre-emptive manner.
He could have stepped forward and stopped the youth from continuing,no sir body slam the fukcer into the ground thats what the training the police now get says you do.[sure ok im sure it doesnt say that exactly but ive met a number of old coppers that have HUGE issues as to how the training is developing]


I have to agree using security business techno babble just alienates and intimidates anyone not in the security business, i.e. members of the public. Try being human and members of the public might see the plod as human and who knows the plod might actually be seen as something useful other than a necessary evil


But a question, of the plod here, why are they called officers, do they hold the Queen's commission ?


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"I'll leave the discussion to the anti police brigade"

Not anti police. Anti aggression. Unfortunately, as the police morph into a civilian version of the Army, what might be appropriate for the Paras in a war zone is not appropriate when controlling a small crowd consisting mainly of kids and young Mums.

Had he been shot.....would that have been OK ? If not, following your logic, why not?

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Actually, looking at another version of this video, where you see a bit more, I definitely think that cop turned a very tiny drama into a reasonbly large crisis.

Edit." did that traffic light see you coming so deliberately changed to red and did the police do it Question Rolling Eyes"

WHAT?????????


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marky2484 wrote:
Not anti police. Anti aggression. Unfortunately, as the police morph into a civilian version of the Army, what might be appropriate for the Paras in a war zone


Not anti police at all then

Whilst some keyboard warriors are so blatantly anti police I'd like to offer some perspective

An off duty officer died today when he heard gunshots near his home only to see a man chasing two people down the road with a gun...that gunman then point blank shot the off duty officer killing him instantly...he left his house to serve others and now his family are without a father/husband/son

Cops go to situations most of you opioniated anti police keyboard warriors would hide in your home kaking your pants or taking pictures for you to you tube later

so next time you want to launch into the police have a little bit better Perspective and balance because most of them do what most of you are afraid to do

but you feel better about blaming them because of your paranoid anti establishment mantra when you tuck yourself up at night..because you have your keyboard

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Essex.html


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and in todays news... harmless boy on bike becomes crazed gunman.


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Well I can see some think cops being killed is humerous..sick, just sick and uncalled for


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Putting words in peoples mouths won't make you right.

I think like most on here, we are not anti cop. If it had been a adult acting wrongly then, yes go for it, be safe. As it was it was just a kid, and it could have been delt with in a simpler calmer way.

I will just say one last thing, this 'tin hat ' thing is getting a bit tiresome now just because someone doesn't agree with you. We are all entitled to an opinion without getting called crazy.


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As with many threads on here, this has decended into nonsense on both sides.

If you want to see a classic case of over reacting, read this thread :roll:


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I agree, it seems nothing can be debated anymore without, people just trying to point score or end up insulting people.

I thought thngs had calmed down a bit. So no more BBC news items from me....ever.


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I'm not about to accuse people of being fully paid-up members of the tin-foil-hat-brigade, or anti-police over this - I do get the point you're making - he's a kid, and it always looks harsh when you see such things on video footage.

But lost in the mire of almost polar opposite positions, there's points to be made - if he was too young, where' the responsible adult / parent who should be in some control? Secondly, this is not just your average, passing street event. Thirdly, thousands of others manage to watch and enjoy this without being dragged out of the crowd. Fourthly, it looks harsh, and all, but beyond the odd bump or bruise, he's probably just fine, and had his eyes opened a bit. Seventeenthly, had this been a different sort of event, say, with royalty or visiting dignitaries, I suspect there would be much the same response - albeit with better crowd management, so that people couldn't so easily breach the "bubble". Problem is, in this type of event, going over such a distance, there's not really the likelihood you can have the same degree of crowd control or barriers.

The way I see it, these types of incidents always look harsh. Do I think the security guy did anything wrong? No. With hindsight would he have done differently - possibly, who knows. Problem is, he would have had to react swiftly, I don't think there's the likelihood he could have just pushed / shoved the kid back the same side - after all, he could have risked injuring others, or creating a bigger incident. They'd also have to be mindful that it wasn't some kind of distraction.

I've seen footage of police (are these police officers manning this security "bubble"?) behaving like thugs - and I recognise it when I see it. I'm not seeing it here, though - perhaps a bit trigger-happy, but hardly just sticking the boot in.

Some can say that it's an example of a growing divide betwixt public and police - evidence of contempt and distance from security personnel and Joe Public. All the time, though, and I can't help but think most managed to behave and not cause any incident. That a very few didn't - well is that evidence of fecklessness on their behalf, or over-confidence? Either way, there were lessons well learnt, there. I see no wrong in what the security people did. Perhaps with hindsight, it seems a tad harsh for some, but how else are they supposed to operate?

All the while, I feel we're excusing the behaviour of some, that really didn't need to behave like this - it was either stupid, or showing off - and there's plenty of opportuinity to do so when there isn't a security escort around.

I'm not suggesting that everybody in society should have to walk around in fear of what Judge Dredd is about to do - just that there's a time and place for acting up - and this wasn't it. That a couple of people learned the hard way - I don't think that's inherently a bad thing. And as I said, I have seen video footage of coppers abusing their "authority" and behaving like thugs - I just don't think this is an example of it, that's all.


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Well I can see some think cops being killed is humerous..sick, just sick and uncalled for


oh please :roll:


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