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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:15 pm 
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other than films, I mostly listen to my iPod anyway.

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I took step back and downsized to that. Membership in the Amp of the Month club is too costly.


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The people next door found a full Ion obelisk set up in a skip.....pre/power/mains box, and a pair of floor standing Epos speakers and all cables.


It does make me wonder what you get for £thousands£ of pounds ? I mean if you are playing the same CD how different can really high end kit make it sound, especially if the recording isa bit poor, studio's vary so much on how a final album/song sounds.

Come on LFG in your opinion how much better, or worth it is the difference between say a £5,000 set up and a £15-£20,000 set up.......heard in a standard size living room ? I've never heard really high end kit like you've had.


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It's a running joke. Did anyone ever actually used to do that! ? :lol:

A drummer I knew when I was growing up, did that on the walls of his converted shed, to try and absorb some of the noise.


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legrandefromage wrote:
other than films, I mostly listen to my iPod anyway.

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That wins the obscure reference of the week award. :D


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CD players between £500 and a £1000 - yes

Power amps up to about £1000 - yes

Integrated amps up to about £1000 - yes

Pre-amps and phono stages up to about £500 £750 - yes

Speakers - I leave these to you. Personally I would spend at lest £750

Anything beyond that is a waste especially as hifi depreciates worse than cars. Oddly though older stuff can fetch waay more than it originally cost. Some B&W models fetch huge amounts along with Tannoy Coencentrics and Celestions. Linn Sondek was relased as a budget deck!

Second hand is king too. Car boots can still get you cracking amps.


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As you get better equipment, you find that the limiting factor is the quality of the recordings. If you like jaz and chamber music, there are some great quality recordings produced by genuine enthusiasts.

If, like me, you listen to a wide variety of rock, pop and all sorts you find that the quality of the recordings is very patchy, varying from excellent to barely listenable. Some recordings don't sound any better on a £100,000 uber system than they do on a ghetto blaster. You could argue that a better set-up only serves to highlight the shortcommings of some poor recordings.

Then you have the whole excessive compression and clipping issues introduced in an attempt to make CDs sound louder which can totally ruin a recording that might otherwise have sounded pretty good.


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As you get better equipment, you find that the limiting factor is the quality of the recordings. If you like jaz and chamber music, there are some great quality recordings produced by genuine enthusiasts.

If, like me, you listen to a wide variety of rock, pop and all sorts you find that the quality of the recordings is very patchy, varying from excellent to barely listenable. Some recordings don't sound any better on a £100,000 uber system than they do on a ghetto blaster. You could argue that a better set-up only serves to highlight the shortcommings of some poor recordings.

Then you have the whole excessive compression and clipping issues introduced in an attempt to make CDs sound louder which can totally ruin a recording that might otherwise have sounded pretty good.


It's for these reasons that I chose a system to play music really well, rather than the Hi Fi stuff. I'm a bit of jazz-head and musician and totally passionate about music so I want it to convey the timing, expression and emotion of the musicians more than doing 'great bass, extended highs, soundstaging or other over hyped notions of 'good sound'
Quite often with a poor recording I'm thinking, ''god, the system sounds shite, but the band sound awesome!'' - the recording sounds tinny, grainy, distant and colourless - but the band are tight and all the inflections and phrasings are conveyed emotionally.
Although this would seem a priority in 'music reproduction' it doesn't have much to do with a lot of modern Hi Fi (esp at the high-end), which produces an impressive sonic experience at the expense of raw musical connection.
..In many ways, high resolution, pristine-clarity, detail and seperation are the worst things to have happened to Hi Fi recently; they've deconstructed the music and killed its message. We should listen to the real world around us - nothing sounds like that!


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But yeah, loads of recordings are a disgrace and a real disapointment to hear.
Some of the best ones I've heard are from the '50's, when the engineers were real artists themselves!


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But yeah, loads of recordings are a disgrace and a real disapointment to hear.
Some of the best ones I've heard are from the '50's, when the engineers were real artists themselves!


Anything done by Sheffield Labs is phenomenal. Amanda Mc Broom & Lincoln Mayorga's Growing up in Hollywood Town is stunning. Unfortunately, they're direct to disc (recorded live direct into the cutting lathe). 15,000 pressings then the master discs were destroyed, so their availability is nonexistent.

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