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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:36 am 
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The intensifying hatred of cyclists in the UK really bugs me. I also very rarely venture onto the road these days. As for electric cars, I nearly got run down last week in a Waitrose car park, their drivers assume you can hear them at ~ 15mph behind but you cant.

New laws coming, 14 yrs imprisonment for cyclists convicted of culpable homicide. Anybody who watches scrotes on Police Camera Action etc driving through city centres at 90mph high on smack, risking the lives of all concerned, only to get some joke sentence by the CJS, will feel a sense of impending injustice. The huge increase in people riding scooters helmetless, to avoid Police pursuit and throwing acid at victims, destroying their quality of life for good, should be the real focus of rapid changes in legislation. Death due to a reckless cyclist accident is very very rare.


It is rare but they need updating and this case shows that.
I'm all for them getting a modern version sorted out, they do with many other minor things too.

Problem is, on shared cyclepaths (correct terminology is ?) pedestrians do not know their requirements. While they have right of way, they cannot block cyclists either. It'll also be easy to jump out in front of a cyclist and be injured and claim, what if you hit their dog? You wouldn't try that with a car or bus.
They need to be careful and there is no reason they shouldn't be in refurbing the laws. For me this is where the EU laws have always helped, much less local media pressure when they are making them, shame there is no point going to them any more.

Maybe they should pressure walkers to wear bright clothing, have lights on and body armour... while walking on shared use paths. It's after all their fault for not protecting themselves, not the cyclists.
Also ban mobile use while walking.


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As a regular London commuter until recently, I've witnessed many crazy things by cyclists, drivers and padestrians. Personally, I ride normally, stopping at lights etc, many cyclists don't and it baffles me as to why others don't. Is it really worth the risk jumping lights, not stopping at crossings and weaving through traffic, not just to yourself but others? Dixie riders in my experience are the worst, as they have little to no braking and simply don't want to stop as they have only one gear and don't fancy having to build momentum again if they have to stop. I've seen many near misses and some bad accidents to k is that brakes are good! Why would you not have them? There are so many benefits that they offer. It's the law (albeit an odd law with exceptions I believe). Make brakes compulsory, helmets too.

Speaking of helmets, in the case this thread is about, he was a complete helmet, not just because he had a fixie, but because of his attitude.

Very sad that someone died, I doubt after 18 months reflection he will care at all about the impact he's had, not just to the victim and their family, but the wider cycling community.

Cyclists were vulnerable targets before this, now it will be even more dangerous for cyclists to ride anywhere.

I'd actually be up for proficiency testing and bike licenses tbh. Any clown can hire a Boris bike in London with no cycling competence. Believe me when I say I've seen some crazy stuff being done by Boris bike users, purely because they haven't a clue about roads, rules or even plain common sense.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:20 am 
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Making helmets compulsory would not solve anything at all and would be a giant step backward. A slim badly regulated bit of polystyrene is not a panacea and should be bottom of the list of things to do when discussing pedestrian/ driver/ cyclist behaviour

Cambridge has got rid of some of its shared cycle lanes and given riders almost a bus lane width in either direction. If a cramped city like that can do something positive then why not elsewhere. And this comes despite the same budget cuts as other counties (and, on a different note: a place where Cambridge CITY council gives parking fines to Cambridge DISTRICT council employees!!)

http://road.cc/content/news/215646-cycl ... -bike-lane

The behaviour of this guy and the subsequent publicity has put the reputation of cyclists back by decades to anyone who reads the red tops. Other incidents have barely received a sideline yet drivers who kill pedestrians and other road users go unmentioned every single day.

It was a tragic accident - nothing more can be read into it yet its been rinsed for all its worth by a rabid media ballooning out of all proportion.

It is so sad that the most environmentally friendly and efficient form of travel on the planet is so vilified by just about anyone as its such an easy target. It doesnt have the billion dollar backing of the motor industries so is easy to pick on when motorised transport **** the environment to the point it changes the very climate (along with cow farts). Theres no-one that will openly stand up for cycling so it continues to be beaten black and blue by all.


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