Champagne sales down 20%

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Harryburgundy":wewvvpp8 said:
I'm loving these expert opinions, thoroughly entertaining, particularly how champagne is undrinksble compared to Prosecco! Brilliant, keep 'em coming.
I think they're all minging tbh. But I don't think you understand the meaning of the word opinion. It appears any of yours are right and anyone else's is wrong.

And given it's various negative associations and foreign origin I think you misjudge the mood of the nation if you think many people will be overly upset at us sending a bit less money to France.
 
tintin40":3sm93v4a said:
A drop in sales is good as with all alcohol. Its disgusting & unhealthy and they should ban all adverts. Treat it the same as smoking. I'd include gambling as well.

There are small bits here I agree with. Not that alcohol is disgusting, that's simply a personal choice. I don't like beer or lager, never liked the taste and never drink it but I can appreciate there are some very good examples out there.

Of course it can most definitely be unhealthy - the wrong stuff and too much of it. It used to be a badge of honour to get your licence to sell alcohol, now it's very easily obtained, you can sell from nearly anywhere and saturation of licensed premises is no longer considered
a reasonable justification for refusal. Control has been lost.
From a wine perspective, production has also become industrial. You don't need to be a mathematician to work out how many millions of bottles of a wine brand are sold in the UK when you see the same brand in every supermarket chain, in every 7/11, in every shitty pub chain, in every town throughout the country.
This isn't wine as far as I'm concerned - it some form of grape must that's been adjusted, clarified, stabilised and commercialised beyond recognition of its source. If you don't like wine because that's all you've tasted, I'm not surprised.

As HF has stated, moderation and quality is the key to healthy wine drinking.

There's too much shit out there, too much exposure and availability and in some occasions, it's too cheap.
 
My favourite tipple used to be Thunderbird, the Red Label. Ironically my partner of the time shared my passion, and went on to work for a number of large drinks firms in the higher end.
 
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Harryburgundy":u60q2inh said:
I'm loving these expert opinions, thoroughly entertaining, particularly how champagne is undrinksble compared to Prosecco! Brilliant, keep 'em coming.

https://youtu.be/xlMwud7SxEA

That's the video I was thinking of.


I'd also like to add that most pubs won't stock a French wine on their by the glass list and only very few will have one at all.

As I said before, it's all about what's in fashion and champagne just isn't fashionable anymore compared to other options.

As well as being in the pub trade I've also got an outside catering business and do a lot of weddings each year. I'd say over 50% have gone away from champagne as a toast drink and even their red and white options that are going onto tables tend to be new world rather than French.

You cannot blame a buying / drinking trend that has developed over the last dozen years on brexit. It's lunacy.
 
highlandsflyer":19f5qlpb said:
You are blaming it on lunacy? So people ideally ought to be drinking French?

Blaming it on brexit is lunacy...

I think the biggest factor has been other nations production getting to (and in some cases passing) the quality of French wines.


As a nation we invented a fair few sports and are far from the best at any of them, maybe that's brexits fault.

maybe the frogs just need to realise they are no longer the King's of the industry!

The more the EU try and hammer us into a bad deal on trading within the EU on the brexit deal we get the sooner they will realise their member states are all going to suffer massively due to a crash in exports.

The UK cut flower / house plant market is worth about £2bn a year to the EU, 75% of that to the Dutch. My other family business is in horticulture and all the Dutch firms we deal with are getting a bit twitchy about us not buying from them post brexit if the tariffs make it unrealistic - and then there is the German car industry! I doubt they want to lose their UK market share.

If it's played right, we will be fine. If they make a complete horlicks of it we will more than likely still be fine.
 
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