after waiting a whole 2 days, DHL knocked on my door and my 1997 independent fabrication deluxe was in my grubby mitts . its 18" and in great condition. i am trying to avoid the temptation of just building it up with stuff ive got already as its not top drawer, this frame deserves better but i might have to as i can hear the forest calling me and its supposed to be a nice weekend weather wise