Wold Ranger wrote:
Sorry should have qualified, both only 16 inch frames, cindercone and lavadome both weigh just under 4.2 pounds bare weight, fully painted.
An 18 is considerably bigger than a 16, as the ctc on a 16 seat tube is only 13 inches and top tube 21. Both weighed on digital scales so won't be far out. I had an 18 which was too big and this weighed 4.6 on the same scale. But getting sidetracked here!
I was told by a dealer once that many Kona frames were re badged in the factory if they were short of a specific model and that only the components were different and the Explosif had different tubes. The Kilauea picture above has the same drop outs and detail as my more recent Lavadome, so maybe they were the same frame?
I gather it was luck of the draw sometimes you got a better or lower frame with different paint on it!
The 97 Kilauea had a 28.6 top tube, as Ratbane's visibly has. The Lava Dome of that year and other years had a 31.8 top tube - it's easy to see from how far the top tube wraps around the seat tube. So that is definitely not a Lava Dome and there is no way whatsoever of passing off any Lava Dome as a 97 Kilauea.
The dropouts on Ratbane's bike were used only for the Kilauea, Explosif and Hot in 1997. They weren't used on the Lava Dome until several years later.
It is illegal under US and other consumer protection legislation to pass off any item as something superior, so you're alleging that a huge firm like Giant would collude with Kona to break the law by painting inferior frames as more expensive ones whenever it suited Kona. Why would they take such a risk?
Ratbane's frame is definitely a genuine 97 Kilauea. The weight is 0.1lbs heavier than I would expect, but that is probably down to the scales used, it is still way too light for a Lava Dome.
And the difference in weight between a size 16 and 18 is c0.25lbs. In the case of a Lava Dome, 4.55 and 4.8 respectively.