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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:13 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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Sorry, what was 1" on the ClimbMax? Are there any distinguishing features I should check for to confirm the model? Getting more and more curious over here :)


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:15 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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It's a quill stem so I assume it's 1", am I right? Going to measure tomorrow to be sure...


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:31 pm 
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Great buy Daverro!

I know the book says ‘change to 1 1/8” head tube in April 1991’, but I’m pretty sure that didn’t include the climbMax. I’ve seen three or four climbMax frames dated by Paul as 1992 that were all still 1” and rear u-brake.

That looks to be a lovely purchase... enjoy!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:15 am 
Dirt Disciple

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Retro_Roy wrote:
sovereign wrote:
B series started in April '90, so this should be a '91. The climbMax was always 1" I guess, so could be only catalyst or sovereign. From the seatstays I would say it's a sovereign :wink:

Check page 270 in Paul's book. says April 91 started B series.
Also says switched to 1 1/8" April 1991, is this one 1 1/8"
if so you are correct there, not a climbMax.


But on page 114 Paul says that frame B001 was stamped July '90, which make more sense regarding the contract with K-bike. I own 3 b frames definetly built 1990.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:33 am 
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Good eye. Page 270 is probably a typo.
I'll ask Paul about it. He will be at Harald's show in May.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:56 am 
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that stem needs to be dropped. :facepalm:

and WHAT ARE those bar-end claws??? :lol: at first i thought the were installed upside down. but if i'm not mistaken, the clamps look to be right side up! :shock:


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:10 am 
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My old Sovereign B085 was December 1990 and was one of the earlier 1 1/8” head tubes


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:28 am 
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I emailed Paul. He said page 114 is correct. Ignore page 270.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:53 am 
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OK, so i measured the diameter of the horrible quill stem that is on at the moment and its 25,4mm/1". So that makes it not a climbMax and either a Sovereign or Catalyst from what you are telling me? I found this post which if accurate points to an early 90s Catalyst viewtopic.php?f=78&t=378293&start=10. But i still wonder between that and Sovereign. Do we know of any actual confirmed differences between the two that i could look for?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:03 am 
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If it’s 1” headtube, it could still be a climbMax. I have a 1992 climbMax dated by Paul and that’s still 1”


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