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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:00 am 
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I've been riding full suspension MTB's since picking up a used ProFlex Beast frameset in I think 95. But somehow I always have owned single pivots though I have this craving for a proper Horst Link bike. So one dreary night I had a bright idea and pulled the e-bay trigger on this: an Ellsworth Dare:

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It is an older DH machine, but in 99-00? that meant 6" travel, and QR dropouts, agressive XC teritory these days. Notably the design features a high BB and steepish head angle by todays standards, and it is not really much overbuilt. These once high end frames go for peanuts on e-bay, plus I recouped a big part of it by selling the modern 170mm forks.

So here's the bright idea: fit a 190mm shock replacing the 200mm stock Stratos helix. Travel reduces to 5" and the BB drops a bit plus the head angle slackens. But then the HA returns to values very close to design when I fit a 5" fork, right? So what is a high end 5"travel Horst Link frame with a 5"travel fork or .....

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What's the catch? Can anyone here please spot the obvious error that's so in my face I can't see it?

Thanks!

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The frame has the optional "XC" chainstays fitted that will allow a front derraileur, the Dare DH will not.
The damper is upside down to clear the rocker arms.
That's a Syntace VRO, I use it on new builds to sort out the cockpit.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:17 am 
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I don't know, but I think it looks bitchin'. :D


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:13 am 
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Just weight really, 5 and 6 inch modern trail sleds are achieving sub 6 pounds all in frame weights. These frames don't go for Peanuts on Ebay UK though! where DH is far more popular than XC/Trail riding.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:37 am 
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looks like your front wheel axle is lower than bb and rear wheel axle. :?


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Looks a beaut.

What does the bottom bracket height work out at... are you going to be hitting the ground with the pedals?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:35 am 
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cchris2lou wrote:
looks like your front wheel axle is lower than bb and rear wheel axle. :?


check the angle of the bike in the pic. BB still looks a little higher than hubs height.
why cant you run the shock the normal way up with the blue lever pointing forward?

looks good to me :)


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:12 am 
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You know, I'm 99% certain the Dare always came with 8" of travel, not 6"!


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Thanks for the reponses guys,

- The BB height works out at a half inch above the line through the wheel axles. Should be fine.
- The adjusters forward would hit the downtube, and it cannot go right side up because the air valve or the adjusters interfere with the rocker arms.
- According feedback I've had this Dare has 7" in DH guise and 6" with the XC stays, later Dares had 8" but they had Y-shaped front frame sections.
- Frame weight with the RP3 damper should be about 8 and some pounds, good enough for me.

Bitd Ellsworth got a lot of stick for the Dare not being strong enough for the riding it invited you to do, i.e. too light in the eyes of DH/FR riders. It was always commended as a very good pedalling bike for it's long travel.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:42 am 
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Nice. Head angle still looks a little slack to me (but I do like steep angles) I'd be tempted to throw some Pikes or Lyriks on there then you can play with the travel and head angle.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:07 pm 
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True, the head angle is slack compared to XC bikes. It is noticeably slacker than my trusty Heckler when parked side by side. But I'll try it with the Maverick first, I can flick that in climbing mode (-30mm but active) for comparison. And I can always revert to a 200mm shock and see if I get on with the high BB, probably running more sag.

There's a BikePark about a half hour drive away with some jumps, berms, wall rides and drops. Just about perfect to see if this works at all.


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