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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:51 pm 
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I bought this bike back in 1997 from a classified ad in a mtb magazine advertised as an Orange aluminium. I must admit at that time, I knew very little of the orange alu frames even though i had a P7.
The guy who sold it to me said it was an Easton frame built in 95,so i was happy with the purchase. It came with xt chainset xt f/r mech dx vee's use seatpost mavic wheel with xt hubs.
It was several years later when i began to have my doubts. I noticed pictures of the frames of the E2, E3 and Elite, these seemed to be thinner than my frame. The only frame of similar thickness was the E4 but that was only built in 98.
The serial number also led me to believe it was an A-pro frame (A504A0152) Note the A in the middle!.
Anyway see if any of you can identify it. Let me know if you want any more pics of certain areas.
Thanks for your help.
I've added pics of my 2 "95" E3s as a frame comparison.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:52 pm 
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More pics.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:12 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:47 pm 
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It might be an Orange E2. This is a guess rather than knowledge. The E3 started in 1995 possibly mid 1995. Your is dated April 1995. It may be a race frame for a rider rather than a stock frame. You could try calling Orange, but when I called about the seat tube collar size for an E2, the guy said "Oh, Crikey", so I guess that sort of information is not available to the current staff there.

General comment: Does anyone know if any history of Orange bikes and frames pre 1998 has been compiled or attempted?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:01 pm 
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I emailed Orange last month with the serial number to see if they have any history of it but was given the reply that they had no history records before 1998.
Interesting thought regarding race frame/stock frame never thought of that.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:32 pm 
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what's the head tube dia?

do the chainstay resemble the power stays in section (of your elite / e3)?

is there a chainstay bridge? (absent on the elite and e3)

cable carrier locations look 'off'. rear canti stop 'crude'.

Headtube isn't plain tube (but is this a 'fix')

IMHO the welds are far worse then anything I've seen on an ally orange.

all i can think of off top of head
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:32 am 
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Thanks for the tips.
Yes there is a chainstay bridge unlike the E3/Elite.
The welding is definately "chunkier looking than the E3/Elite.
Finally i was surprised to discover that the headtube is actually 1 1/4 with a reducer down to 1 1/8.
I've had this bike 16 years and never had the forks off. :oops:

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So with all this in mind it seems that it may not be an Orange. But what of the serial number?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:16 pm 
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It's an E2!

I had a metallic black one in '95 that replaced my stolen '94 Prestige. The tubes were slimmed down from the Elite, welds were 'chunky/blobby' compared to the E3. The drop outs and chain stays are consistent with the E2 as the E3 had 'S' shaped chain stays and seat stays and the drop outs had the Orange logo stamped into them and no eyelets for attaching racks or mudguards. No chain stay bridge on the E3 either. My E2 cracked at the weld behind BB to chain stay. My E3 cracked where they should have put a chain stay bridge but didn't! My E4 is still going strong


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:22 pm 
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As an addendum, I didn't have my E2 for long. It failed pretty soon after getting it. Got my E2 in '95 and was replaced with an E3 the same year. Not many made and most failed from memory!


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:41 am 
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E2s had a 1" head tube, and no chainstay bridge. Also had a threaded hole for a mech pulley and the frame number didn't have an extra "A" in it!
The welding is very nice too.

Heres an E2 which I just sold: https://imageshack.com/a/5PVb/1


Hope this helps!

EDIT: Having said all that, there is no guarantee that your frame isn't an Orange! They did all sorts of mucking around in the early days, so it may just have been from a different manufacturer for whatever reason.


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