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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:21 pm 
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So yesterday I drove a 3 hour roundtrip through one of the worst snowstorms Toronto has seen this year to buy two bikes, one was a nearly stock 1994 GT Corrado for $150 CAD and the other was this nearly bare frame for the princely sum of $35 CAD (about 15 English pounds).

I found it on Pinkbike described as a 14" Ritchey frame, I posted it in the eBay forum but the pix were crap and no-one knew for sure what it was, now I have the frame I can tell it's something a bit special, but I need the help of the collective experts on Retrobike to pin down it's ID.

First off it's very light, the frame with front and rear derailleurs weighs in at barely 5 pounds, I'm not an expert on frame weight but I think this is probably pretty light for a steel frame. It's an 17 inch frame (centre BB to top of seat tube) and has a 21 1/2" top tube (centre to centre), chainstays are 17" (center BB to centre axle). Headtube is 4 1/2" long sized for an 1 1/8" steerer.

Cable routing is along the top tube with all three guides in a cluster on the upper right (when sitting on the bike) of the tube. The rear brake stop is brazed (uniquely in my experience) onto the top of the integrated seat clamp. The seat clamp itself is somewhat unusual in that it comprises of two machined steel blocks brazed to the tube giving the initial impression of a removable clamp, the (presumably original) binder bolt is titanium with an alloy nut.

The frame has two bottle cage size bolt holes brazed onto the underside of the drive side chainstay, (preumably to mount an anti-chainsuck device a la bontrager), there are cage mounts on downtube and seat tube as you would expect and unremarkable brake bosses but that's it for braze-ons, there are no rack mounts on this bike, obviously the ritchey dropouts have none, but in addition there is no chainstay brace and the seatstay brace serves only to alleviate braking flex - it has no holes for mounting racks, mudguards (reflectors :lol: ). This frame gives the impression of being a thoroughbred race chassis.

Tubing wise the toptube had an 1 1/4" OD and the downtube has an 1 3/8" OD. seat tube is 1 1/8" and is ovalised where it meets the BB shell. Seatstays are unremarkable, chainstays have a tapering oval profile with flat vertical sides, custom drawn without a doubt. Dropouts as mentioned before are very nice cast Ritchey units, all welds are minimal, neat and precise.

Phew! that's about all I can tell you about the frame, the front derailleur is a very, very nice Sachs unit with a little 'O' design on it that means nothing to me. The rear mech appears to be a Sunrace 595, I've never seen its like before but it seems very well made, a notable lack of plastic parts compared to most Shimano/Suntour units.

I've included some pictures and I'm sure someone on here must be able to ID this thing, I would of though the rear brake stop alone must be unique to one manufacturer....

So away you go!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:39 pm 
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I have no idea what it is but it seems a good buy for pocket money doesnt it, its certainly not an low grade steel frame as it has descent dropouts and the chain suck plate mounting screws.

I think the key to finding out what it is is the seatclamp with the cable stop :? :?:

have you tried removing any of that paint yet :?: , looks black underneath.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:00 pm 
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Heading down to the basement now to scratch of some of the red (bike looks like it was sprayed by a blind monkey(no offence to any blind monkeys reading this :oops: ))


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:16 pm 
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ha i almost bought that frame yesterday afternoon, but didn't go cause of the weather oh well. good luck finding out what it is. Did you look at that mantis?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:31 pm 
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The mantis is in BC! I had a very interesting chat with the guy though, his personal collection includes two Mantis Valkyries and a NOS Flying V! He sent me some more pics, I'll start a new thread with them.........don't want to sideline my frame IDing thread!

I've removed some paint and I can tell you that the original paint was a purple clear coat over a silver metallic base over a white primer, no decals remain but there are traces of some rub down stickers that look like they say Dirt Devil R-------, as Dirt Devil make vacuum cleaners I'm assuming this isn't the manufacturer!


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:13 pm 
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Just heard from Jeff at first flight, he didn't recognise it! Have googled this one to death, lots of people have looked at this but not even a vague idea?!!!


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:25 pm 
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The front derailleur is a Sachs Neos or Sachs Quartz.
If you can find a type in it...


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:45 pm 
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LTS Biker wrote:
The front derailleur is a Sachs Neos or Sachs Quartz.
If you can find a type in it...


Well it has this funny little "O" logo on it if that tells you anything, dont think it's OEM though so probably wont tell us who made the frame......... :(


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:38 pm 
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be patient, someone will recognise it soon. It has a very unique looking rear canti cable stop integrated into the seat lugs, and two plugs or rivets under the drive side chain stay that must have been for some kind of chain suck device??

Not long now I'm sure.

I don't claim to know anything about these but it wouldn't be a Klein of some description would it? That rear triangle looks familiar from the back!


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:17 pm 
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development_cycle wrote:
be patient, someone will recognise it soon. It has a very unique looking rear canti cable stop integrated into the seat lugs, and two plugs or rivets under the drive side chain stay that must have been for some kind of chain suck device??

Not long now I'm sure.

I don't claim to know anything about these but it wouldn't be a Klein of some description would it? That rear triangle looks familiar from the back!



I thought klein were alloy only...


Is there a frame number anywhere on it?

It might have been a one off built for someone...


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