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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:31 am 
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Some great ideas here chaps, need to sit down and read through it all :D

If people want to continue to organise rides and meets via the forum than that is of course cool. Good to see so many people meeting up and riding via the website :D

Already had vaguely similar thoughts about making things like this 'official' - basically the way to go the club route. Anyhow more to follow from all and sundry and I'm sure, including me.


Good morning all

Glad that John has spoken on this idea as I was starting to think it wasn't going to go down well at the top and I was just stiring up bother for them. :? :D

Just a few thoughts on going the club route... A internet based forum where people get together is one thing, a club opens up a whole new barrel of monkeys. There are many things to consider.

The most rediculous phrase in the english language comes into play..'Health and Safety'. As I say, a forum is fine, a 'couple of dozen guys who frequent a web forum' get together and have a ride out- no probs.

A club on the other hand organises a meet in say Chicksands- now picture this.. PidgeonBoy56 falls and breaks his arm, unlucky for sure. But then questions are asked. Did Retrobike do a H&S risk assesment prior to the event? Did Retrobike have a plan in place to deal with such thing. Did Retrobike have permission to have a club group use those facilities? Does Retrobike have insurance? PidgeonBoy56 then uses the first No Win No Fee Vulture he sees on TV and sues our collective asses.

There is a minefield of things to consider- I'm not 100% sure but I think even non-profit organised clubs have to have audited accounts every year and publicly publish them- more hassle and cost.

Another one I know of is an absolute cracker... Our local Motor Club has just had to Train and fund a 'Dedicated Child Protection Officer'. The chap who put his hand up for this has not been the same since- not a nice thing to go through, and all because we have 3-4 under 14 members that we have to ensure are not getting fiddled with on night rallies... utter madness! Each region would have to have one of these.

There are probably hundreds of bits of legislation that would have to be studied and implimented. There were over 800 new peices of legislation that affected small business last year alone!

I'm not saying making this place a club is a bad idea, its just we need to go into it with eyes open. Personally I think it works great as it is, brilliant site, good Craik and some wonderfull people without the egos you find elsewhere. My proposal was just to add a few extra pages to the forum and let a structure develop naturally around this to increase the amount of ' a couple of dozen guys who frequent a web forum get together and have a ride out' type events.

Simple, without cost and the potential pitfalls of an official club.

I do hope this doesn't put you off, I think this will be a great opportunity for all.

Cheers
Si


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:25 am 
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Dr S wrote:
John wrote:


Some great ideas here chaps, need to sit down and read through it all :D

If people want to continue to organise rides and meets via the forum than that is of course cool. Good to see so many people meeting up and riding via the website :D

Already had vaguely similar thoughts about making things like this 'official' - basically the way to go the club route. Anyhow more to follow from all and sundry and I'm sure, including me.


Good morning all

Glad that John has spoken on this idea as I was starting to think it wasn't going to go down well at the top and I was just stiring up bother for them. :? :D

Just a few thoughts on going the club route... A internet based forum where people get together is one thing, a club opens up a whole new barrel of monkeys. There are many things to consider.

The most rediculous phrase in the english language comes into play..'Health and Safety'. As I say, a forum is fine, a 'couple of dozen guys who frequent a web forum' get together and have a ride out- no probs.

A club on the other hand organises a meet in say Chicksands- now picture this.. PidgeonBoy56 falls and breaks his arm, unlucky for sure. But then questions are asked. Did Retrobike do a H&S risk assesment prior to the event? Did Retrobike have a plan in place to deal with such thing. Did Retrobike have permission to have a club group use those facilities? Does Retrobike have insurance? PidgeonBoy56 then uses the first No Win No Fee Vulture he sees on TV and sues our collective asses.

There is a minefield of things to consider- I'm not 100% sure but I think even non-profit organised clubs have to have audited accounts every year and publicly publish them- more hassle and cost.

Another one I know of is an absolute cracker... Our local Motor Club has just had to Train and fund a 'Dedicated Child Protection Officer'. The chap who put his hand up for this has not been the same since- not a nice thing to go through, and all because we have 3-4 under 14 members that we have to ensure are not getting fiddled with on night rallies... utter madness! Each region would have to have one of these.

There are probably hundreds of bits of legislation that would have to be studied and implimented. There were over 800 new peices of legislation that affected small business last year alone!

I'm not saying making this place a club is a bad idea, its just we need to go into it with eyes open. Personally I think it works great as it is, brilliant site, good Craik and some wonderfull people without the egos you find elsewhere. My proposal was just to add a few extra pages to the forum and let a structure develop naturally around this to increase the amount of ' a couple of dozen guys who frequent a web forum get together and have a ride out' type events.

Simple, without cost and the potential pitfalls of an official club.

I do hope this doesn't put you off, I think this will be a great opportunity for all.

Cheers
Si


Si,

some good points raised.

Myself and the other mods are well into ideas like this.

The rides forum has been setup to allow the sort of thing you discuss. People have been organising rides there for a while which is cool :D The idea about splitting things by area is a good one, when a much needed update the the forum happens (waiting on me :roll: ) I'll think about sub forums.

The whole health and safety thing is a kettle of fish. The problem is if pidegeonboy56 does break his arm trying to clear the doubles at chicksands on his mustang then he could probably sue the ride organiser and site should he choose.

Retrobike is already BCF and CTT affiliated so some of the framework for a club is already in place. I don't think the accounts would need auditing and I don't think we'd be needing a child protection officer. This would also afford us some level of insurance as well as allowing people to race 'officially' if interested.

I don't think we're a million miles away in our viewpoints Si, maybe drop me a note at admin@retrobike.co.uk and we can discuss thigns in more depth (hard to get on the web at work :wink: )

John[/quote]


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:28 pm 
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daj wrote:
well we have

Gloucestershire
Oxfordshire

Depending how big the areas could expand to include

Wiltshire
Warwickshire
Worcestershire


and Bath/Bristol


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:34 pm 
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Heres my suggestions for the area groups..

Highlands
Borders and MacRetro
North East
North West
The Ridings (Yorkshire)
North wales
South Wales
Central and mid-Shires
Cambs and Flatlands
Wessex and West Country
Devon and Cornwall
London and Home Counties

I'm preparing a map with the regions marked on.

Si

What are your thoughts??


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:52 pm 
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Wessex and West Country presumably covers

Wiltshire
Avon
Somerset
Gloucs

any more?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:56 pm 
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'The Ridings' - is that like 'The Shire' - but without the Hobbits - and better?

Riding in The Ridings - I like that :D


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:08 pm 
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nic wrote:
Wessex and West Country presumably covers

Wiltshire
Avon
Somerset
Gloucs

any more?


If you want it to- its just a starting point :wink:

I'll get that map up asap and we can debate it some more.

Si


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:53 pm 
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Old Ned wrote:
'The Ridings' - is that like 'The Shire' - but without the Hobbits - and better?

Riding in The Ridings - I like that :D


If you think Yorkshire is THE 'Shire'.

You've never been to Shropshire. You get the hairy feet and everything round here.


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nic wrote:
Wessex and West Country presumably covers

Wiltshire
Avon
Somerset
Gloucs

any more?


Darrrset?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:33 pm 
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Hey, What about the U.S.A?

I know there are a few guys on the North East Coast that frequent this site.. I live in New Jersey and happen to live right next to the equivilant of Cannock Chase in NJ 8) :D


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