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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:07 pm 
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Seems to me like bikes from the early 2000s are starting to look pretty retro. How was 1998 arrived at as the birth of modern?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:07 pm 
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oh no :shock:


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:20 pm 
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For what it's worth I agree, but the date seems to be set in stone and it's really not getting into this again.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:30 pm 
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Retro shmetro!
Both of mine, from this century, are retro.
What is more retro, or desireable, than a skinny steel frame ?
It's just that pre'97 most of the components , particularly brakes and bouncy forks, were dangerous junk. Post '98, it usually does what it's supposed to!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:12 pm 
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Why does everyone have such a downer on cantis? They always stopped me plenty well enough never had a problem doing endos.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:28 pm 
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Same here. With the aid of 25.000 brake boosters at the front and a broom stick between the spokes, I never had problems doing endos with canti brakes.

In all seriousness, Cantis are a pain in the you-know-what to set up, and even then they simply don't perform as good as a set of cheap Vee brakes.

As for the date, I'm fairly happy with that. 1997 marked a major change.
Manufacturers started doing less radical stuff and the whole industry started refining products more than inventing new ones.
The only radical change I can think of since 1997 is the Hollowtech system, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone proved me wrong there by showing a pre-1997 version.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:30 pm 
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Suspension has come a long way as has carbon tech (maybe frames too).
And brakes.

Foundations are there of course.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:26 pm 
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OK.
Retro: pre-1998
Neo-Retro: 1998-2008
Modern: 2008 on.

Neo retro can also be described more simply as 'obsolete'. :D


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:29 pm 
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hamster wrote:
OK.
Retro: pre-1998
Neo-Retro: 1998-2008
Modern: 2008 on.

Neo retro can also be described more simply as 'obsolete'. :D

Yeah, maybe, but modern, 2008 on, has planned obsolescence.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:59 pm 
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Aha...the definition difference :lol:

Nice one.
1 Retro = Didn't work very well.
2 Neo-Retro = Obsolete but works well.
3 Modern = No spares when it breaks and completely incompatible with anything else.


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