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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:05 am 
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My 1999 alu Cindercone rigid weighs in at 20.5lbs with nice but non-exotic bits. Bearing in mind many full sussers weigh in at closer to 30lbs and cannot be bullied up a hill like it, it can be surprising how quick climbing makes up for slower speeds elsewhere. It's biggest enemy is long gradual downhills when the geared boys can run the big ring.


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I don't get it at all. But I do so enjoy it :)


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:39 pm 
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I don't get it at all. But I do so enjoy it :)


That's the point...
There is no point.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:49 pm 
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Personally I think it's great on a proper SS bike, with track ends or eccentric BB and 3/8th chains and gears. The fitness issue is more with fixed gear bikes though and not SS clutched drivetrains.
I despise nice top end geared frames bodged to run SS with 9 speed chains and sprockets, makes me cringe.


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BobCatMax wrote:
aaaa, grasshopper..

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The sound of one gear changing I think! 8)


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:49 pm 
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Wold Ranger wrote:
Personally I think it's great on a proper SS bike, with track ends or eccentric BB and 3/8th chains and gears. The fitness issue is more with fixed gear bikes though and not SS clutched drivetrains.
I despise nice top end geared frames bodged to run SS with 9 speed chains and sprockets, makes me cringe.


I kind of agree and disagree - but it is your opinion and respected. Here's mine:

Eccentric BB have one place, and one place only. On a tandem. I think it must be the worst application ever to put them on SS bikes. Change the gear...oh, I need to change my saddle height and for / aft position too.

3/8th chain is not necessary and is needless extra weight.

A chain tensioner is infact one of the better solutions; no position change, and no wheelbase change. Works with rim brakes and disk and amazingly takes care of chain wear.

I would favour verticle drop-outs with a custom chain stay length over track ends or an eccentric hub for a real no remorse SS rig. Chain slack, dump it and get a new one!

I despise bodge jobs too....but let's be honest, they look great on a hack / pub bike. It's character forming :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:03 am 
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I do enjoy single speed. I enjoy the ride more.
As well as fitness improvement and the moment you blast by someone with gears :lol:

Besides for me nothing beats the look of a nice steel or titanium steed. Clean and simple :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:39 am 
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Woz wrote:
Wold Ranger wrote:
Personally I think it's great on a proper SS bike, with track ends or eccentric BB and 3/8th chains and gears. The fitness issue is more with fixed gear bikes though and not SS clutched drivetrains.
I despise nice top end geared frames bodged to run SS with 9 speed chains and sprockets, makes me cringe.


I kind of agree and disagree - but it is your opinion and respected. Here's mine:

Eccentric BB have one place, and one place only. On a tandem. I think it must be the worst application ever to put them on SS bikes. Change the gear...oh, I need to change my saddle height and for / aft position too.


I disagree with this - 99% of the time we're talking about the very small adjustments needed to maintain tension as the chain wears. All I can say is that you must be a lot more sensitive to riding contact point positions than I am - same goes for wheelbase changes with track ends/sliding/swinging dropouts, the changes in chainstay length needed to maintain tension aren't worth worrying about.

Woz wrote:
3/8th chain is not necessary and is needless extra weight.


I completely agree

Woz wrote:
A chain tensioner is infact one of the better solutions; no position change, and no wheelbase change. Works with rim brakes and disk and amazingly takes care of chain wear.

I would favour verticle drop-outs with a custom chain stay length over track ends or an eccentric hub for a real no remorse SS rig. Chain slack, dump it and get a new one!


Except that derailleur hanger mounted tensioners can make it a pain to get the wheel out (if they are set to push up, as they should be) and suffer from most of the same shortcomings as a rear mech - chain slap (if they are the spring loaded type) collecting grass, branches and other debris - especially heather, they're very good at that. A BB mounted tensioner is probably the best type if you must have one, looks tidier and is out of the way of most things.
All in my opinion, obviously......

As far as the whole "magic gear" thing goes - the "magic" soon wears off, in my experience.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:17 am 
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An advantage of putting the adjustment in an eccentric BB is also that it saves having to fiddle with readjusting the rear brake as the chain wears.


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