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Author:  gm1230126 [ Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:09 am ]
Post subject:  2012 Xizang

Have heard for some time now that GT was bringing back the Xizang and it appears they are doing a limited release in 29er and maybe also 26.
http://twitpic.com/5x7l9s

Author:  Coleman [ Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:50 am ]
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Hmmm - may well have room in my life for a 29er now!

Looks like the Air Attack is back too:

http://twitpic.com/5ws9ya

Author:  petitpal [ Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:24 pm ]
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Have to admit, I saw some video of the Zaskar Team Carbon 2011 the other day (lovely alloy effect paint job) and had to pick my jaw up off the floor. Wowsers. Sorry, I mean, erm, -bleeping- modern bikes. :lol:

Author:  Drencrom [ Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:46 pm ]
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GT really have got the retro style paint/graphics thing dialled - a little hint of the past with bang up to date designs.

I'm still sticking with the retro though.

Author:  T'boo Ted [ Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:07 pm ]
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Author:  merckx [ Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:15 pm ]
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would like to see photos of the whole frame. 26 er for me, no clown bikes please.

dont rate the bent down tube at the head tube junction...perhaps the 26er might not have that though...fingers crossed...

and hopefully 100mm fork geometry.....

Author:  T'boo Ted [ Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:20 pm ]
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any I dea when it gets released... I truly don't want a 29er, but if they release a 26in I may have to sell everything to get on... my new job starts ion feb and as soon as my debets started getting paid off, i was going to convince the GF that an old xizang was going to be bought... but now... I dunno what to do...

but if its a 29er, then it will be an easy decision...

Author:  The Ken [ Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:55 pm ]
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29er would be a nice adddition, make a really good mountain touring bike.

Are these going to be USA built?

Author:  T'boo Ted [ Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:23 pm ]
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So it seems the 26in will only be in teeny sizes...

Author:  racer x [ Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:21 pm ]
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Awesome man :D

This is the GT i had ago around the pits at the world cup at Dalby Forest if thats good then that new Xizangs going to be on another level :shock:

Author:  gm1230126 [ Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:08 am ]
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merckx wrote:
would like to see photos of the whole frame. 26 er for me, no clown bikes please.

dont rate the bent down tube at the head tube junction...perhaps the 26er might not have that though...fingers crossed...

and hopefully 100mm fork geometry.....


Will surely be modern geometry so I too am guessing the down tube bend is there on the 29er only. Please, Please, pretty please for a normal looking 26er

Author:  Rampage [ Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:36 am ]
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I think that's the first Zaskar I've ever liked!

Author:  gm1230126 [ Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:20 am ]
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The Ken wrote:
29er would be a nice adddition, make a really good mountain touring bike.

Are these going to be USA built?


Unknown at this time but I noticed that Titanium Sports (formerly the Sandvik frame shop) is in the process of rebuilding/revamping their bike web page....so I'm just guessing US. Sure will all know the day they finally release. For once though...just for once It would be great to see one bike company do their NEW stuff and still offer a retro line of say 3-5 models.

NOTE: Product managers (that's you Mr. Peterman) need to wake up to the fact that the people with the money now are the people that could only afford a Timberline or Tequesta in their younger years.

Author:  Drencrom [ Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:41 am ]
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gm1230126 wrote:

NOTE: Product managers (that's you Mr. Peterman) need to wake up to the fact that the people with the money now are the people that could only afford a Timberline or Tequesta in their younger years.


Wise words!

Author:  The Ken [ Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:54 am ]
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It would be nice to buy a modern Xizang around the 20th anniversary to getting my first, a 29er would mean less explaining to my wife, and USA built would almost force me to buy it.

Author:  Chris [ Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:03 pm ]
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Totally not into the swoopy downtube although you could see why they'd do it :?

Author:  gm1230126 [ Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:51 pm ]
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29er for sure in the US in M/L/XL only. US$2,200 suggested retail. That I confirmed today. Hoping there's a 26 offering.

Author:  Radoslaw [ Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:59 am ]
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Sweet, it's a first 29er which I'm fancy to buy.

Author:  kaiser [ Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:08 am ]
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Radoslaw wrote:
Sweet, it's a first 29er which I'm fancy to buy.



:lol: :lol: U-Turn of the year :lol:


Nice addition to the GT line up, I wonder what form it will take? A race light 80/100mm would work! I think curvy downtubes are now a fact of life, I'm sure manufacturers would avoid them if they could (one less process) but I reckon they are there to comply with safety regs :roll:

Author:  Radoslaw [ Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:21 am ]
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29er is still ugly but after short ride on Gazz's GT Peace I must admit it's something in it :oops: But if by some chance 26' will come in a large size there will be no brainer to me.

Author:  rienster [ Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:31 am ]
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Still think I'd rather go for one of those new ritchey 29-ers I saw earlier this year. Especially seeing that the supposed price for that one would be about half.

Author:  MADJEZ [ Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:53 pm ]
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I think it's a bad idea !

As per previous thread everyone will be worried about going into the
dealer and asking for a '....Sheez-ang, er a Zi-zing, Qui-zang, Shwi-jang..
oh sod it I'll have a Zaskar' :lol: :wink:

Author:  novekili [ Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:40 pm ]
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Wow... a Xizng in 29" taste.... Luckily I've just had my 29er built by FTW and I have no money left, otherwise a divorce would be unavoidable.....

Author:  Drencrom [ Thu Aug 04, 2011 3:31 pm ]
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MADJEZ wrote:
I think it's a bad idea !

As per previous thread everyone will be worried about going into the
dealer and asking for a '....Sheez-ang, er a Zi-zing, Qui-zang, Shwi-jang..
oh sod it I'll have a Zaskar' :lol: :wink:


No doubt there will be a GT YouTube post about the bike - let's hope someone from GT says the name.

Author:  gm1230126 [ Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:51 am ]
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Quite a bit has been posted on it already in the GT manufacturers thread at MTBR. GT employees are involved in the discussion there.

Author:  gm1230126 [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:42 am ]
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It's going to be an imported unit.

Author:  jk_oldschool [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:40 am ]
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I work in a bike shop down under the local importers here told me 29 only no 26 what a rip off ! sorry for that sad news. My boss had one in he's hand last Tuesday said it was OK. Price is OZ is $2199 frame only

SO HAPPY I STILL HAVE MY 1997 ONE

Author:  gm1230126 [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:52 am ]
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GT employee posted this at MTBR: "Right now it looks like a mid-late fall release for USA on the Xizang. Some markets might get them earlier/later depending where they fall in the production queue. The 26" vs 29" decision is made regionally by markets based on their particular needs and doesn't emanate directly from Bethel with an iron fist"

This sounds to me like the home office in Bethel is giving their global distributors some latitude in what they offer in their markets...which means there could be a hell of a run on the countries that do offer 26'ers. 26" version should not need the bent down tube either.

Author:  T'boo Ted [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:02 am ]
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can see it now, all 26in markets sell out in seconds with most going to other markets, 29ers... cobbwebs... OK so it'll probably be the other way around, but thats how i'd like it to be...

Author:  jk_oldschool [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:53 am ]
Post subject:  GT Xizang

Hey T'boo Ted we always get the left overs in OZ not good at all maybe if we make lots of noise they may here our cries but would not hold my breath.

Author:  T'boo Ted [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:31 am ]
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yeah well we didn't get any zaskar reissues...

Author:  T'boo Ted [ Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:57 pm ]
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at least they tell us how to pronounce it...

Image

Author:  racer x [ Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:34 pm ]
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:shock: 8)

Author:  kikaha [ Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:06 pm ]
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Why not?

Author:  racer x [ Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:15 pm ]
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Yeah im in :D

Author:  kaiser [ Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:31 pm ]
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Love it! I'm a 29er fan and love the nod to the old school 8)

Author:  BoyBurning [ Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:33 pm ]
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So...

$2200 US [£1360] - but actually selling for £1700 in UK?

I think I'd save the other £250 and get a made-to-order Eriksen!


What a rediculous price!


I think anyone buying that needs their head examined really...

BB

Author:  MikeD [ Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:00 pm ]
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Not that crazy compared to most Ti frames. A Lynskey Pro 29 is £1,700,
Cotic Soda £1,500. RRP for a Whyte 19 Ti frame is £1,999 (!).

Author:  BoyBurning [ Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:31 pm ]
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MikeD wrote:
Not that crazy compared to most Ti frames. A Lynskey Pro 29 is £1,700,
Cotic Soda £1,500. RRP for a Whyte 19 Ti frame is £1,999 (!).



Mike:

Yes, but the Pro 29 and Soda are both made by Lynskey.
In the US.

The Whyte is made by Litespeed.
In the US.

That generally commands a higher price in the market, whereas rightly or wrongly Far Eastern made frames don't...

I may of course be wrong about the origins above, but don't think so, and think that GT are simply jumping on the band-wagon and charging what they like because:

gm1230126 wrote:
Product managers (that's you Mr. Peterman) HAVE WOKEN UP need to wake up to the fact that the people with the money now are the people that could only afford a Timberline or Tequesta in their younger years.



BB

Author:  MikeD [ Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:39 pm ]
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In that case, wait a year and buy them when they get epically reduced to clear them out ;)

Author:  BoyBurning [ Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:49 pm ]
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MikeD wrote:
In that case, wait a year and buy them when they get epically reduced to clear them out ;)


Or simply wait another year to save up even more money and buy a Potts...!

:lol:

Author:  The Ken [ Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:38 pm ]
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I really like it but what's with the curved end cap! I agree it is a lot for a taiwanese frame, but if it is as well made I don't see too much issue.

the extra cost over here will be the 20% vat.

oh and they pronouced it wrong :)

Author:  ferrus [ Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:32 am ]
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BoyBurning wrote:
MikeD wrote:
Not that crazy compared to most Ti frames. A Lynskey Pro 29 is £1,700,
Cotic Soda £1,500. RRP for a Whyte 19 Ti frame is £1,999 (!).



Mike:

Yes, but the Pro 29 and Soda are both made by Lynskey.
In the US.

The Whyte is made by Litespeed.
In the US.

That generally commands a higher price in the market, whereas rightly or wrongly Far Eastern made frames don't...

I may of course be wrong about the origins above, but don't think so, and think that GT are simply jumping on the band-wagon and charging what they like..
BB



Exactly. Regardless of the quality, Far Eastern manufacture is a fraction of the cost, and this should be reflected in the retail price. It may well be a great frame, but it won't have been built by people who enjoy anything like the same income, insurance etc etc ...or even have any interest in bicycles necessarily, let alone passion.
Not being made in the US (if this is true) is a real disappointment.

Author:  michel2 [ Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:31 pm ]
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for those who r complaining about the price...check out what lynskey charges for a polished finish !! i really hope the bean counters in australia, let me grap one. it would have to have a matching blue sid with old decals...i regret selling syncros revo's they would have looked sweet !!

what im wondering...i havent seen any pics of a xizang build bike, only frame pictures ...would like to see what it looks like with those big wheels and slopping top tube...

Author:  T'boo Ted [ Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:50 am ]
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rumor has it on large 29er for OZ, but that may not be true...

Author:  Coleman [ Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:46 am ]
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The Ken wrote:
I really like it but what's with the curved end cap!


Because it''s made in Taiwan! Nothing wrong with that but only US metal gets a flat end cap - that is the way of the GT :D

Author:  The Ken [ Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:00 pm ]
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Sounds like a Lightening to me :)

Author:  merckx [ Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:16 pm ]
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yeti big top looks heaps better than this thing. and much better value for money...

Author:  novekili [ Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:22 pm ]
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My new 29er is much more Yeti than the Bigtop... at least its builder created the ARC and used to be Yeti's their main welder.

Secondly, you can't really compare a carbon-alu bike with a ti one... Ti is expensive, and the Xizang is made in small batches even if in Taiwan.

Author:  clockworkgazz [ Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:42 pm ]
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T'boo Ted wrote:
at least they tell us how to pronounce it...

Image


The bend in the down tube is rank and that headtube is awkward looking :?

Author:  The Ken [ Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:49 pm ]
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The bend is a result of the CEN standards, what it prevents/protects against I'm unsure. 26er might be different. The head tube looks like it is becoming the norm, seen loads of bikes coming with it now, I'm not a fan myself.

Author:  clockworkgazz [ Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:54 pm ]
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so what is the benefit of the larger diameter headset at the bottom? More surface area for crud to get in and shorten the life of the headset?

Author:  The Ken [ Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:59 pm ]
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lower bearing takes more impact stress than the top bearing i presume. But as I have only needed to use 2 headsets in the last 20 years you could be right.

Author:  T'boo Ted [ Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:07 pm ]
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I get the concept of the headset... but is it really necessary? my 1st bike with a 1in hs, i went through maybe 3 sets of bearings, other than that for 6 bikes used in that time (20 years, have replaced 1 headset...

Din't Specialised invent the tapered HS, so that peopel would have to use their proprietary fork? I guess its a good thing for the bike industry, you can't use a fork you already own...

I see the current zaskar uses the same headtube...

Author:  merckx [ Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:12 am ]
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most new bikes are going for tapered steerers. even road bikes. it also gives a bigger surface area to connect the down tube into. result, stiffer front end on the frame, which is a good thing

Author:  Rampage [ Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:17 am ]
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More bearings/bigger area spreads the load better.
I think a headset is the only bike part I've never broken. Now everything has suspension forks it's even less likely to get broken!
I always wonder why people will pay £100 for a CK!

Author:  clockworkgazz [ Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:52 am ]
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because they are smooth as butter and should last a lifetime :wink:

Author:  brusque [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:29 am ]
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For my shop, I have buy four 29 GT TI 2012 :
- 2 size M
- 2 size L
:D

Author:  The Ken [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:41 am ]
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Any chance you could post the dimensions Brusque (when you get them) I'm especially interested in the medium.

Author:  dyna-ti [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:55 pm ]
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Rampage wrote:
I always wonder why people will pay £100 for a CK!


Maybe because it runs great despite years of abuse and holds its value pretty well. :?

Author:  racer x [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:24 pm ]
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Nice show pics of the new Xizang :D don't like the wheels :D

Author:  legrandefromage [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:29 pm ]
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they've already had a front end knock and bent the down tube!

Duh...

Author:  racer x [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:43 pm ]
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:lol:

Author:  cyfa2809 [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:39 pm ]
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This is in the wrong section.

Author:  dyna-ti [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:51 pm ]
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cyfa2809 wrote:
This is in the wrong section.


5 pages down the line :lol: :lol:


:roll: Tsk tsk mods

Author:  gm1230126 [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:10 am ]
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merckx wrote:
most new bikes are going for tapered steerers. even road bikes. it also gives a bigger surface area to connect the down tube into. result, stiffer front end on the frame, which is a good thing


Basically a requirement of CEN, EN. Accoriding to one of GT's current product managers most of the old bikes we now like to ride would not pass today's standards that must be met for cycle testing of frames or braking.
I beleive 1-1/4" steerer or large is now required on all new bikes/frames in Europe, correct?

Author:  sinnerman [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:16 am ]
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racer x wrote:
Nice show pics of the new Xizang :D don't like the wheels :D



Its not a flattering picture :? and who chose the spec to show that bike at its best.... :roll: they need shooting imo.

Author:  merckx [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:36 am ]
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crank brothers wheels are fugly to the power of ten.

look at the cables on that thing, it must have nineteen lockout systems :lol:

built with a more subtle and classy set of wheels, and nicer saddle and bars etc,i think it would look good. the above build is a bit on the crass side..

Author:  The Ken [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:21 am ]
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That is one of the worst modern builds I have ever seen, ugly.

Off topic but what do these new CEN rules force? and what are is the end result? My bike has taken 19 years of abuse and is still going strong, were they brought in because modern bikes were breaking too often?

Author:  samsbike [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:50 pm ]
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T'boo Ted wrote:
any I dea when it gets released... I truly don't want a 29er, ...

but if its a 29er, then it will be an easy decision...


Being thick but why would you not want a 29er?

Author:  sinnerman [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:58 pm ]
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The Ken wrote:
That is one of the worst modern builds I have ever seen, ugly.

Off topic but what do these new CEN rules force? and what are is the end result? My bike has taken 19 years of abuse and is still going strong, were they brought in because modern bikes were breaking too often?


mine are too, i think its a lot to do with suposedly increasing the saftey standard from the Bs6102 English standard which has been in force for decades and reportedly now out of date, to the new european standards of saftey. I suspect that the use of much longer travel suspension forks new frame materials, and the general type of consumer use of the bicycle has changed also, all leading factors to the need to increase the saftey standards.

I know that Cotic had to make alterations for there 09 range of frames, which saw a small increase in cost, and a bit of a headache at the time as i understand it.

I wonder how the smaller frame builders selling bespoke frames are effected.

Author:  racer x [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:57 pm ]
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About the 29r thing im not 100% i like them, but was also thinking about putting a set of 26" wheels one a 29r to see what its like

Would the center of gravity be wrong ie bottom bracket height from the ground. Would it be any good? :roll:

Author:  danson67 [ Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:21 pm ]
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The Ken asked:
Quote:
Off topic but what do these new CEN rules force

Here's the legislation:http://www.baltikvairas.lt/filemanager/download/29/EN%2014766%20.pdf

I doubt the requirements themselves are especially high, just that manufacturers need to be show their products to have been designed and tested in accordance with the legislation, and that makes the manufacturers and their insurers over-cautious. Manufacturers can't just assume their stuff is OK and safe.

More worrying is that there doesn't seem to be the usual 'custom built' exemption clause, so small producers either have to cough up for some standard testing, FEA test CAD models, or self-certify, which will make their insurers very nervous and their premiums higher.

As far as I can guess, the horrible bent downtube is a H&S insurance policy to prevent fork crowns interfering with the frame. Somebody probably mentioned it and once it had ben mentioned it became a known risk/danger which has to be eliminated. That doesn't seen to stop the dual crown fork guys and I can't find anything specific in the rules.

Sleep well,

Author:  gm1230126 [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:58 am ]
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The Ken wrote:
were they brought in because modern bikes were breaking too often?


doubt that as most of the current bikes and frames weigh more than top of the line stuff from 93-5 era. Ever heard of lawyers. I'm sure having standards helps protect against some major cases.

http://www.bicycleretailer.com/news/new ... /5654.html

http://www.bike-eu.com/news/archive/col ... -1790.html

Author:  T'boo Ted [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:36 am ]
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samsbike wrote:
T'boo Ted wrote:
any I dea when it gets released... I truly don't want a 29er, ...

but if its a 29er, then it will be an easy decision...


Being thick but why would you not want a 29er?


um.. because I don't want one...

nothing against them, if people want one, thats fine, my mate has 2. For me I am happy on 26in wheels, don't see a need to change, and I think they look wonky.

Its liek why ride an old clunky 80's or 90's bike, when you could get a shiny new one with all the new cool gear? Personal chioce.



Back to topic, asked GT they said there will be 29 and 26 for 2012... not sure what that means...

Author:  MikeD [ Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:26 pm ]
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Quote:
I beleive 1-1/4" steerer or large is now required on all new bikes/frames in Europe, correct?


Nope, plenty of CEN-tested frames for 1-1/8in steerers out there. I suspect on an alu frame it's easier to make it pass with a tapered head tube, though.

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