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Author:  legrandefromage [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Bargain Ebay bike lights

5w cree LED

Nice handle bar mount, flashing mode.

Aluminium body with rubber O rings

pretty quick shipping:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 3683wt_911

Author:  orange71 [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:14 pm ]
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going to get a couple of these and try them out.

Author:  legrandefromage [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:22 pm ]
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Free bright back lights and pretty decent for less than £12 all in:

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Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:43 pm ]
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Copped a look at these a few weeks back and they are definitely on my purchase list in a few weeks. . . very cool 8)

Author:  drystonepaul [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:29 pm ]
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Just ordered one to give it a try. Thanks for the link LGF. What are the front lights like? Any good...?

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:42 pm ]
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A 5W cree, assuming the reflector is good, should give you night time vision up to at least 100yards.. with the beam visible easily a mile away.

Author:  orange71 [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:51 pm ]
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how long will a set of batteries last?

Author:  legrandefromage [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:58 pm ]
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3xAAa should give you a few hours. Flashing mode maybe a day.

Ideal to rebuild into something rechargeable

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:58 pm ]
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Pass.. ..a lot depends on any internal wizardy..

I have worked with high power LED's before but only up to 1W..

They quote 100 hours for the rear light, and I don't doubt that claim - they're pretty standard stuff..

The candlepower forums may give some insight..

Author:  P20 [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:39 pm ]
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Seems rude not too. Order placed :wink:

Author:  jbsteven [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:49 pm ]
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Geomangear.com

Get the $90 one and never have to worry about not having enough light. They are BRIGHT

Author:  jbsteven [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:49 pm ]
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Geomangear.com

Get the $90 one and never have to worry about not having enough light. They are BRIGHT

Author:  mattbrown [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:51 pm ]
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i might buy 4 of these, and set up the front end like ibelieveinfixies

Author:  ringo [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:37 pm ]
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yeah, I'm up for these... thankylinky LGF :D

Author:  Enid_Puceflange [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:11 pm ]
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Not that I ever ride at night, but that looks small enough to keep in my

Hydro-pack in the eventuality that I may get caught out.

ORDERED :lol:

You on commission L.G.F ? :wink:

Gc

Author:  taffy [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:14 pm ]
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legrandefromage wrote:
Ideal to rebuild into something rechargeable


Hmm some nice LiPoly batterypack's would do..... :)

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:37 pm ]
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Use AA size ones and convert the seat tube into a battery holder

Author:  KeepItSteel [ Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:55 pm ]
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Nice spot LGF

Another tip, search the sellers 'cycling' listings and youll find a gold rimmed version available, and if you buy his dollar listings - youll save approx 30p more!

Author:  Enid_Puceflange [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:11 am ]
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Wish I had seen the Gold ones :roll: :lol:

G

Author:  KeepItSteel [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:16 am ]
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Enid_Puceflange wrote:
Wish I had seen the Gold ones :roll: :lol:

G


me too! red on its way...

Author:  IDB1 [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:37 am ]
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I'll be needing 4 gold and 2 red I think. . . :roll:

Author:  legrandefromage [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:02 am ]
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well they are brighter than my £24.95 Smart lite 1 watt LED


and gold? bugger. :lol:

Author:  orange71 [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:07 am ]
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are they regulated i.e. stay bright right till the battery dies or do they get dimmer?

Author:  legrandefromage [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:12 am ]
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orange71 wrote:
are they regulated i.e. stay bright right till the battery dies or do they get dimmer?



for £1.50 my expectations are low.

Author:  IDB1 [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:21 am ]
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orange71 wrote:
are they regulated i.e. stay bright right till the battery dies or do they get dimmer?


I expect you would get a period at max brightness and then they would fade.

The internal circuits dictate a lot.. I doubt max brightness would last longer than half hour (if that) but the dimming tends to be quite slow from there on in.

Could be way off, but that's my experience of LED tech thus far..

Even regulated circuits behave the same, my Peli flashlight (high quality, relatively pricey), runs on CR123A's, does..

But AAA batteries are only 99p a dozen at the 99p store ;)

Author:  orange71 [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:33 am ]
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my dealextreme light stays bright right till the end. v happy with that one, but it was £50.

Author:  IDB1 [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:37 am ]
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My Peli is a few years old (but is over £100 with the upgrade :shock: )..

Tech moves on I suppose..

What batteries does your dealextreme run on??

Author:  orange71 [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:08 pm ]
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comes with rechargeable pack (consists of 4 batteries wrapped up and a lead). Best light I've ever used. For that price I thought if it lasts a winter I am happy, but it'll be heading into a 2nd winter this year :D Link here: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.25149

Author:  IDB1 [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:10 pm ]
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Decent spec for sure.. and not massively expensive either.. 8)

Author:  orange71 [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:13 pm ]
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we all bought one each in the East Mids group and used them all winter - rain, snow, -8 deg C, dust the lot - no problems at all.

Author:  AdamAsh [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:46 pm ]
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Just purchased one of the gold ones.

Hope its a good one :D :D

Author:  Enid_Puceflange [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:23 pm ]
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AdamAsh wrote:

Hope its a good one :D :D


I think I'm getting the good one :lol: :lol:

G

Author:  Neil [ Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:23 pm ]
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As per OP, I'm very suprised at how quick they got here.

I've ordered plenty of stuff within the UK that's taken longer.

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:33 pm ]
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Mine landed this morning..

I very much doubt they are 5W...

Pretty sure my Peli has a 3W upgrade and it'll outshine these by a mile...

Wonder if I could fit a couple of CR123A's in instead of 3 x AAA . . . .

Author:  legrandefromage [ Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:29 pm ]
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I'll remind you again - £1.50 plus postage....

Author:  Neil [ Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:39 pm ]
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legrandefromage wrote:
I'll remind you again - £1.50 plus postage....

Indeed, and absolute bargain (rear lights included, front light has decent bracket, too, and a flashing mode).

And delivered pretty damned quickly too.

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:57 pm ]
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legrandefromage wrote:
I'll remind you again - £1.50 plus postage....
:lol: :lol:

I get that.. and they are easily worth the money

Was more of an observation than a complaint but they should still be what they purport to be? Regardless of price..

Author:  THWANG-666 [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:32 pm ]
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hell
i cant make light bodys that cheap i,ve ordered 2 to strip and upgrade i have some spare ssp4 xp-e and some xp-g so will see what i can pop in
ive made 2 sets of these
Image

Author:  IDB1 [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:58 pm ]
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They're nicely made imo . . . and they aren't dim either..

Author:  Enid_Puceflange [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:24 pm ]
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Well chuffed with mine too 8) 8) :D

Got here quicker than stuff Im waiting on from other members of this place :roll: :lol:

G

Author:  velomaniac [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:29 pm ]
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Thanks for the Link LGF, I too have ordered a set, at that price it'd be stoopid not to :D

Author:  Steve Kish [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:50 pm ]
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I don't need one but I've just bought one! :?

Author:  cchris2lou [ Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:32 pm ]
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orange71 wrote:
we all bought one each in the East Mids group and used them all winter - rain, snow, -8 deg C, dust the lot - no problems at all.


I use the deal X too and it is the best light you can get for the price .

Author:  ringo [ Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:37 pm ]
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Mine haven't arrived yet :? :?

Ordered around the same time as Enids. Hopefully should see them early this week.

Author:  Xesh [ Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:28 pm ]
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Just ordered 2 sets of the US Dollar priced ones. They work out at £1.25 per set plus £3.85 postage. :wink:

We'll see if he allows that. :lol: :lol:

Author:  zigzag [ Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:24 pm ]
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Also just ordered a couple at the USD price, which comes out at £10.56. :D

Author:  The Ken [ Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:12 pm ]
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do you not have to add paypal conversion costs to that or is it automatically added?

Author:  zigzag [ Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:17 pm ]
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Paypal worked it all out and told me at checkout. Ties in with email total too (well OK, 1p rounding error?):

Code:
5w LED CREE Flashlight Torch Bike Bicycle +Rear Light G
Item Number 160430615817   $1.99 USD   2   $3.98 USD
 
Postage and packing   $12.30 USD
Insurance - not offered   ----
Total   $16.28 USD
Payment   $16.28 USD
Charge will appear on your credit card statement as 'PAYPAL *GOMARKET'
Payment sent to go_market@yahoo.com.hk

From amount   £10.57 GBP
To amount   $16.28 USD
Exchange rate: 1 GBP = 1.54020 USD

Author:  The Ken [ Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:21 pm ]
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I ordered 2 sets, I just paid the extra uk price so I am 60p out of pocket :( :)

Author:  Crantinope [ Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:48 pm ]
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Mine arrived yesterday, very pleased with the front. I have had that exact same rear before, on it's 1st journey, the rear bracket on mine lasted precisely from the exit at Kings Cross Station to the 1st set of traffic lights, all of 100 odd yards :lol: :lol:

Author:  ringo [ Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:02 pm ]
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Joy unconfined - they're here :D

Very good value... looking forward to strapping them to the old girl...

Author:  orange71 [ Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:03 pm ]
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mine arrived yesterday - seem pretty good although back ones seem a bit flimsy.

Author:  IDB1 [ Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:59 pm ]
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ringo wrote:
looking forward to strapping them to the old girl...


I'm putting mine on the bicycle. . .

Author:  drystonepaul [ Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:37 am ]
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I've had mine for about a week now and I've used it on a couple of night rides.
Firstly the *free* rear light is pretty good but the bracket is awful. I've swapped mine onto a different one which is much more secure.

The front light is impressive and for the price is exceptional. I did have to modify the battery holder slightly due to an excess of springs.

For it's maiden voyage, I used the light on it's own attached using the great little bar mount. It was only about 8 miles down several pitch black country lanes, where the beam although very narrow was more than usable at fairly a fairly fast pace. The lens gives a very bright 'hot spot' and a dimmer 'halo'. The light throws a good distance, but the narrow beam is problematic when cornering as it's attached to the bar and the uneven beam pattern means that it appears even darker outside the illuminated area

For my second ride, I thought I'd mount it to my helmet as a secondary light and the overcome the shortcomings of the narrow beam.
The light was ingeniously attached using a Crud Catcher bungee and a small piece of shaped foam. Very neat it is too even if I do say so myself...

Along with my bar mounted Exposure Maxx-D, the helmet mounted light proved a great addition. Although my bar light has a very even, wide and not to mention very bright beam pattern, it was still possible to make out the light source from the helmet light within it. It is really quite bright enough.

The bar light really became useful on tight turns where you need light where you look. Normally I use a Petzl Tikka light on my helmet, but this new one from eBay is much brighter and more useful at speed. The Petzl is mainly used for climbing and fixing punctures, and I'll probably stick with that set up though throughout the forthcoming Winter night riding season. I'll be adding this light too though I reckon.

After about 3 hours on a set of Duracells there appears to be no sign of dimming yet.

So in conclusion, if you haven't already ordered one out of curiosity, then I'd highly recommend getting one or two... or three.

Author:  IDB1 [ Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:54 am ]
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What sort of range do you reckon you get?

Author:  orange71 [ Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:28 am ]
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Have you noticed that if you twist the cowling around the lens it changes the spread?

Author:  drystonepaul [ Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:47 am ]
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IDB1 wrote:
What sort of range do you reckon you get?

Depending on where you aim it, I reckon the brightest part of the beam easily illuminates about ten metres up the road. The dimmer halo spreads back to right in front of the bike to create enough usable area.

orange71 wrote:
Have you noticed that if you twist the cowling around the lens it changes the spread?

Yes Ed, I've tweaked the beam pattern to make the hot spot a little wider. Too far though and you end up with a dark centre and the front falling off the light.

Author:  djoptix [ Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:23 pm ]
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I have an LED Lenser P7 which uses a 4.48W Cree LED. While I'm sure the optics and circuitry are a lot better than these, if they're half as bright as my Lenser that's a fantastic deal.

Author:  IDB1 [ Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:28 pm ]
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djoptix wrote:
I have an LED Lenser P7 which uses a 4.48W Cree LED. While I'm sure the optics and circuitry are a lot better than these, if they're half as bright as my Lenser that's a fantastic deal.


They are less than half the output of my upgraded Peli M3..

BUT . . . still awesome value..

I'll probably get some more at some point..

Author:  hamster [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:03 pm ]
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Mine arrived very quickly. The front brackets seem very sturdy with good clamps. The laps themselves seem well built.

The rear lights are trashy with no flashing option...still they will make good auxiliary lights.

Author:  drystonepaul [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:52 pm ]
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hamster wrote:
The rear lights are trashy with no flashing option...still they will make good auxiliary lights.


Interesting. My rear has six different flashing modes plus constant. Quality control must be a bit hit and miss at this ridiculously cheap price point...

Author:  jamabikes [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:56 pm ]
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just out of interest, how long to they take for delivery? just ordered a set and am impatient! :lol:

Author:  Neil [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:33 pm ]
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hamster wrote:
The rear lights are trashy with no flashing option...still they will make good auxiliary lights.

I'd agree the rear lights are a bit flimsy and cheap looking. But mine have several flashing modes.

Author:  Xesh [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:26 pm ]
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jamabikes wrote:
just out of interest, how long to they take for delivery? just ordered a set and am impatient! :lol:


I ordered mine last week (08/08 ) and they still haven't turned up yet - although they are showing as dispatched on 'My Ebay' page.

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:33 pm ]
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I had to join the gang too :lol:

Author:  stevetait [ Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:25 pm ]
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How can I resist :lol: ordered along with my LED torch win I was bidding on from these guys.... Pap LED torch... 1p :lol:

Thanks LGF

Author:  dyna-ti [ Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:13 am ]
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I doing a study on the expected life of a cheap imported torch :wink:

Quote:
I'd agree the rear lights are a bit flimsy

The rot has started

Author:  highlandsflyer [ Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:35 am ]
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They are bloody good at £6, and that is that.

Back light is not bad, as that is the one I dont bother taking off the bike it is a stealable so I couldnt care.

The front is awesome. Truly.

I spent £60 last time I had something that bright.

Very happy.

:)

Author:  IDB1 [ Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:50 am ]
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Replaced the batteries in mine last night for some decent alkaline AAA's..

A quick test in the garden (shining over to the golf course opposite) with a fair amount of light pollution I estimate a comfortable 40 yard beam and very crisp halo...

Even if the LED gives up, a replacement will be pennies from the Far East still utilising the nicely made torch body.. 8)

Might investigate a better reflector too...

Author:  Steve Kish [ Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:30 pm ]
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Mine arrived today and as not really needed, I'm keeping this as a house torch .... and have ordered another! :P

As a comparison, with a Hope Vision 2, the new light has a two-way setting. The lower setting is very close to the Hope lowest setting and the high position is very slightly lower than the Hope 2nd-lowest setting. The Hope has 4 settings, but at about 100 times the price, the new one is great value.

LGF, a great find. :D I would unreservedly recommend one of these to anyone .... and the accompanied rear light is a 7-position lightshow with a static setting. :P

Author:  Enid_Puceflange [ Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:39 pm ]
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Steve Kish wrote:
.... and the accompanied rear light is a 7-position lightshow with a static setting. :P


Not even bothered trying my rear yet :oops: :oops:

Gc

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:49 pm ]
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So how long have you guys waited to get yours? Ordered mine on the 8th and by the sounds of it you guys have received yours very quickly, but i'm still waiting.

Author:  drystonepaul [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:01 am ]
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May have been caught up in customs. Mine had the ticket marked as a 'gift', so Hong Kong customs may have become suspicious about the number of 'gifts' going to overseas addresses from the same sender.

The delivery time did state up 7-14 days for the UK. Mine came in less than a week but I could just have been lucky.

Author:  brocklanders023 [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:03 am ]
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Just ordered some so we'll see. :)

Author:  clockworkgazz [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:08 am ]
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back from a night ride with mine and they were first class- well pleased.

Author:  BobCatMax [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:03 am ]
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sitting eagerly waiting for mine to arrive too..

@ Xesh and Easy_Rider - Mine was on the 8th as well..guess we're part of the same batch.

hurry up goddammit!

Author:  mikee [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:27 am ]
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got mine yesterday
the torches are nice
the battery holder looks a bit ropey tho
and the clamps are destined to break i reckon ,the plastic seems to be a
high re-grind type
but at the price you can't complain

Author:  Steve Kish [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:34 am ]
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11 days for mine.

I've also lashed out a 'BIN for 99p' for similar with a head torch fitting in the hope that it's just as good. This will go into my rucksack for the 'get you home when it gets dark quickly' rides in a few months.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWNX:IT

Author:  legrandefromage [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:21 am ]
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Used mine last night at about 1am - bright enough for cars to dip their lights and bright enough to see in total darkness.

Carried on using my cateye rear though.

Author:  jamabikes [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:26 pm ]
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mine turned up today. nice quality for a buck fiddy! still got the little burnt retina from the obligatory 'how bright is it' test

Author:  IDB1 [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:44 pm ]
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jamabikes wrote:
still got the little burnt retina from the obligatory 'how bright is it' test


:lol: Good job they aren't truly 5W then!! :lol:

Author:  The Ken [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:25 am ]
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I reckon they are about 3watt max I have two and I was very impressed for the money, the spread is great and the spot helped me spot the frogs I wanted to avoid.

I might buy another for helmet mounting.

Also looking at finding a lithium pack that will fit in the holder.

Author:  Neil [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:32 am ]
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IDB1 wrote:
jamabikes wrote:
still got the little burnt retina from the obligatory 'how bright is it' test

:lol: Good job they aren't truly 5W then!! :lol:

I get that it seems to irk you that they are advertised as 5W but it's quite unlikely they are...

At £5.60 delivered, plus a rear light, and I suspect an output that you'd never get anywhere near for money in that area, and is it really worth keep mithering over?

I mean had you just said it once, then fair enough, but it seems to have got to you a bit, to subtly keep having a dig about it. If you're not happy with what you've bought, complain to the seller, you've already made your point in this thread about your beliefs over their power output - so people reading this thread, thinking of buying them can see countless opinions about them - is it really worth the sly little digs?

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:43 am ]
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Oh grow up Neil..

The digs aren't sly.. and, actually, not even digs. :roll:

I commented once, from my experience with high power LED's, and then in direct reference to jamabikes shining it in his eyes - again from experience.

I have, at least once, commented on the value and how impressed I am. The fact that they aren't what they are sold as doesn't irk me or get on my tits at all or why would I be up for buying more (as has been said in this very thread)??

You want to have a pop at someone, choose someone else. You're just making yourself look foolish.

Jog on.

Author:  Neil [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:18 pm ]
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IDB1 wrote:
Oh grow up Neil..

The digs aren't sly.. and, actually, not even digs. :roll:

I commented once, from my experience with high power LED's, and then in direct reference to jamabikes shining it in his eyes - again from experience.

I have, at least once, commented on the value and how impressed I am. The fact that they aren't what they are sold as doesn't irk me or get on my tits at all or why would I be up for buying more (as has been said in this very thread)??

You want to have a pop at someone, choose someone else. You're just making yourself look foolish.

Jog on.

Likewise.

I'm not looking to have a go at you or anybody else.

More than once in this thread, you've taken the opportuinity to point out what you feel is the shortcomings in terms of their power output - point has been noted.

And others called you on it, WRT VFM.

Keep making sly remarks about them not being what you feel they should be in terms of the claims of 5W output, is just utterly tedious when it's repeated.

The point was raised earlier on, they cost £1.50, plus £4.10 in postage. Now it's quite possible, they may not live up to the claims of being 5W, but in the context of a) their price and b) customer satisfaction as reported in this thread, does it really need mentioning, more than once, that you feel they're not outputting 5W?

Really?

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:18 pm ]
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*yawn*

Author:  Neil [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:19 pm ]
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IDB1 wrote:
*yawn*

Ahh, I understand, now.

You're over-tired.

Go and have a sleep.

That's what you get for being up all hours... ;-)

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:23 pm ]
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Neil.. instead of just taking my first comment (which was directly in relation to the claimed output), a comparison to my Peli lamp and then an (unrelated, in reality) one directly to jamabikes, also look at the others I've made about VFM etc.

My tiredness is in relation to being misunderstood and misrepresented, nothing to do with my sleep pattern.

Author:  The Ken [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:25 pm ]
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Could you take this discussion out of this thread, it's getting off topic and a little pedantic. You both disagree leave it at that.

Author:  Neil [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:31 pm ]
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IDB1 wrote:
Neil.. instead of just taking my first comment (which was directly in relation to the claimed output), a comparison to my Peli lamp and then an (unrelated, in reality) one directly to jamabikes, also look at the others I've made about VFM etc.

I have done, and I'm not ignoring it. I've taken all that in the round.

I just think repeated mithering about them perhaps not being truly 5W is utterly tedious in context. I get, you have a thing for high-powered LEDs - smashing.

Pointing it out, fine, getting defensive about things being what they're claimed, reasonable - but bearing in mind how much they cost - then another tiresome "Good job they aren't truly 5W then" just comes across as churlish. They're a bargain - acknowledged by all, including you, I accept.

So what's the value in repeating the "Yebbut they're not 5W" thing? Does it really need saying again?

Really?
IDB1 wrote:
My tiredness is in relation to being misunderstood and misrepresented nothing to do with my sleep pattern.

Sure.

Get some sleep.

You'll feel loads better.

Author:  legrandefromage [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:32 pm ]
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Give over please.

If you are so good with LED technology, please, come up with something brighter and cheaper.

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:33 pm ]
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Neil wrote:
So what's the value in repeating.
About the same as you banging on at me unfairly tbh.

Author:  Neil [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:34 pm ]
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IDB1 wrote:
Neil wrote:
So what's the value in repeating.
About the same as you banging on at me unfairly tbh.

FPWM.
legrandefromage wrote:
If you are so good with LED technology, please, come up with something brighter and cheaper.

...

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:35 pm ]
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legrandefromage wrote:
Give over please.

If you are so good with LED technology, please, come up with something brighter and cheaper.

Never professed to be 'so good' at anything.. I seriously doubt the whole package could be bettered without drop-shipping by the container-load.

It's a discussion taken a wayward turn, and not by me...

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:36 pm ]
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Neil wrote:
FPWM.


Yeah.. I've googled that twice now and all I get is Ferry Plaza Wine Merchant.

Author:  Neil [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:36 pm ]
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IDB1 wrote:
Neil wrote:
FPWM.

Yeah.. I've googled that twice now and all I get is Ferry Plaza Wine Merchant.

That'll be the one

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:40 pm ]
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pm sent :lol:

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:40 pm ]
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I just wish I had mine so I could test my retina :roll:

12days now

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:41 pm ]
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Easy_Rider wrote:
I just wish I had mine so I could test my retina :roll:


Please don't :shock: :lol:

Author:  The Ken [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:56 pm ]
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Easy_Rider wrote:
I just wish I had mine so I could test my retina :roll:

12days now


mine were bought on the 10th, post marked 11th and I got them on the 18th hope they're not caught in up in customs, mine were marked gift with a value of $18

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:05 pm ]
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If you get worried, email the seller and ask them to confirm when they were sent and if they have a tracking number.

Mine were bought from a different seller but, when asked, they did provide a sent date and tracking number..

Author:  Steve Kish [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:37 pm ]
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Now ordered yet another 2 for my mate Big Chris. :P

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:16 pm ]
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Had to buy some to try even if its just going to be a house torch!

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:18 pm ]
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I lost my 2 to the Wife and kids.. now used for evening dog walks :roll:

Got my eye on some other colours now though.. which'll match their intended hosts much better ;)

Author:  REKIBorter [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:47 pm ]
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Anyone running these with re-chargeables? Trying 1000mha Uniross's for now to see what sort of run-time I get.

Brightness is very similar to Hope Vision 1 LED which lasts 3.25 hours on max with 4x2500mha AAA's. The beam is quite a bit wider than the very pointy Hope.

Looking to use this on my road bike. I find the off-road lights are overkill for road use. Too much light on the road is not a good thing as you have to run in dipped beam to avoid dazzling oncoming traffic on unlit country roads.

BTW ordered on 8th / arrived on 20th

Author:  Steve Kish [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:22 pm ]
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I have a Hope Vision 2 as a helmet light and found the Saik one to be as good as the dimmest Hope setting on 'Low' and almost as good as the second dimmest on 'high'.

The Hope third and brightest settings are better but as it costs about 100 times the Saik .... :P

Author:  REKIBorter [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:31 pm ]
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Also have a Hope Vision 2. Really good flood but not enough reach for distance illumination at high speed.

The Ebay lights run much cooler than any of my lights. The Hopes get very hot.

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:57 pm ]
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What type of lamp does the Hope use??

These should run cold unless you run a higher voltage.. ..

Author:  REKIBorter [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:04 pm ]
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IDB1 wrote:
What type of lamp does the Hope use??

These should run cold unless you run a higher voltage.. ..


Don't know what Hope use but mine are both standard unmodified units. The twin LED Vision 2 gets seriously hot if left to discharge without a fan moving air over it.

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:07 pm ]
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Could everyone stop talking about these light until I get mine i feel like i'm missing that really good party I should have gone too :lol:

Author:  REKIBorter [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:03 pm ]
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The results:

3 hours 20 mins burn time before noticeable drop in brightness. Using Uniross Encore Ni-Mh 1000mha re-chargeable batteries. Impresive!

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:07 pm ]
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REKIBorter wrote:
The results:

3 hours 20 mins burn time before noticeable drop in brightness. Using Uniross Encore Ni-Mh 1000mha re-chargeable batteries. Impresive!


That's bloody good!!..

I just realised today that the new batteries I put in aren't Alkaline at all and are zinc chloride..
Not sure on the difference between the 2 apart from alkaline last longer in general..

Could there be a performance advantage using alkaline?

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:04 pm ]
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Mr Pat has been n gone with no parcel for me :(

Author:  The Ken [ Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:02 pm ]
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Easy rider I love the way Homer is reflecting your feelings over this, very funny.

I'm still hoping to find a Lithium rechargeable that will fit these.

Author:  DoctorRad [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:14 am ]
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Do the 3x AAA batteries operate in series or parallel?

If it's series (i.e. 3.6v output from the pack with NiMH cells) I'm wondering it the battery holder is handily the same size as a standard 3.7v Li-ion rechargeable cell...?

Author:  The Ken [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:27 am ]
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They are in series. That was my first thought Dr Rad but I decided I wanted the full 4.5 volts to get the proper brightness from the LED, I didn't want to use standard rechargables for that reason.

Author:  DoctorRad [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:37 am ]
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The Ken wrote:
They are in series. That was my first thought Dr Rad but I decided I wanted the full 4.5 volts to get the proper brightness from the LED, I didn't want to use standard rechargables for that reason.


Can you tell me the length and diameter of the battery holder please?

Does the extra 0.9v make a difference? If there's a proper current regulator in there, it shouldn't. LEDs are constant current devices and therefore require a driver circuit to regulate the current flowing into them. Normal 1.5v cells would give the same light for longer as they have a higher voltage and mAh capacity than rechargeable cells, but if the light works off 3x 1.2v AAA cells - which others have confirmed it does - then it should also work just as well off a single 3.7v Lithium cell.

Author:  The Ken [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:55 am ]
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I never understood the constant current thing as all my LED lights dim over the life of the battery - I thought that was due to voltage drop as the battery dissipates, it does flicker and eventually cut out when the batteries get really low but the light has also dimmed significantly by that point. I was never any good at electronics but I can wire a plug though :)

I don't have the battery holder here, I'll try and measure it when I get home but it is only about 4mm longer than an AAA and a little more than 3 AAA's pack together will give you a rough diameter.

Author:  legrandefromage [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:04 pm ]
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a 'c' size battery is too big BTW.

these might fit:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2X-CR123A-3-7V-Li ... 3338wt_911

I used to turn my Eveready Nightriders in to 6v and 12v halogen monsters.

proper bright!

Author:  BobCatMax [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:15 pm ]
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Easy_Rider wrote:
Mr Pat has been n gone with no parcel for me :(


any joy today mate?

the missus rang earlier to tell me that she'd had to ingnore postie when he rang the bell this morning as she wasn't dressed...bah!

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:17 pm ]
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No. I have had a reply from the seller to say they were posted on the 9th and that normal delivery takes 14-20 business days! So al you guys that got them sp quick must have been very lucky and caught the right shipment.

Author:  IDB1 [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:18 pm ]
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One of the batteries that are used to build up r/c packs fits these (according to one of the sellers - I think) ..

Found the info last week, forgot to make a note/bookmark it (bloody typical).. :roll:

Will spend some time looking in a bit. . .

Author:  hamster [ Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:35 pm ]
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Used mine at night offroad this weekend. Very good in general - compared to a pal's Hope then it was as good as his middle setting. Bearing in mind the price difference then I could fit my bike up like a mod's Lambretta for £70. 8)

The only niggle I have is that the lights don't have a way to adjust the left / right setting which is a pity if you run two and want to run the beam spots side by side. If you have curly bars like On-One Marys they might also be problematic.

Author:  DoctorRad [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:17 am ]
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IDB1 wrote:
One of the batteries that are used to build up r/c packs fits these (according to one of the sellers - I think) ..

Found the info last week, forgot to make a note/bookmark it (bloody typical).. :roll:

Will spend some time looking in a bit. . .


My research has shown that a Sub-C cell is about the right diameter but a bit short, so 5/4 Sub-C would probably be what we want. However, that would be an Ni-MH cell so only 1.2v which presumably won't drive these lights... unless someone knows otherwise?

Author:  brocklanders023 [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:22 am ]
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brocklanders023 wrote:
Just ordered some so we'll see. :)



Mine turned up today. Only ordered on the 19th so speedy delivery 8) Will report back once it gets dark.

Author:  BobCatMax [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:56 pm ]
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whats going on ?!?

Glad you got yours brocklander, but where are mine ?? :cry:

Author:  JamesM [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:11 pm ]
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This one is 7W (and purple):

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Bike-Bicycle-Fron ... ike_Lights

and this one 17W:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/17w-LED-Flashligh ... ike_Lights

Anyone got any idea whats going on? It's almost as if they're just making it up as they go along. Can you actually get a 17watt LED?

Author:  IDB1 [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:16 pm ]
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Don't know if 17W is possible - don't think so from a single LED.. but the quoted specs are VERY unlikely.

Yes, they seem to make it up as they go along..

I was thinking (17W aside), 5W, 7W might be achievable if you ran them hot.. high risk of a very short LED life though..

There's also green and blue available on ebay.

Author:  Crantinope [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:20 pm ]
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Lovin those "fake" PANASONIC batteries you get with the purple one. :D

Author:  REKIBorter [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:20 pm ]
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JamesM wrote:


Likeing the fake Panasonic batteries, PemesaniG, lol

Author:  JamesM [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:34 pm ]
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IDB1 wrote:
There's also green and blue available on ebay.


Cool, I haven't seen the green ones, how many watts are they? 50? 100?

Author:  KevD [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:24 am ]
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Also ordered, we got caught out last Thursday in the rain at Gisburn. Only just made it round the full lap the week before too as we dont start out till 7:30/7:45pm

Author:  orange71 [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:07 am ]
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used mine for the first time last night - had 2 on the handlebars - nearly as good as the low setting on my £50 dealextreme light - so pretty good for the price. So just about good enough for night riding (as a pair), absolutely dandy for commuting - esp on strobe setting as they don't quite flash simultaneously creating a hypnotic effect :lol:

Author:  JamesM [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:58 am ]
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I bought one of the purple ones with the cool batteries. I do wonder if it's the same though. It looks the same, but it says 7w, it doesn't say cree and there is no mention of a flashing mode? Did everyone else buy the ones in the original link on page 1? I may have wasted £4 :?

Author:  IDB1 [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:10 am ]
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Nope.. mine are red 17W ones.. .. ..

Author:  JamesM [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:19 am ]
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So they are probably all the same then? Except mine is 3DV and comes with plasmatronic batteries :wink:

Author:  IDB1 [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:22 am ]
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Mine had those batteries..

And yes, I suspect they are all the same.. all probably sourced from a single manufacturer.

Author:  giant-one [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:50 pm ]
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Bought 2 yesterday for less than £11.50 delivered. Bargin. :D

Author:  orange71 [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:40 pm ]
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mine didn't come with batteries.

Author:  giant-one [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:51 pm ]
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Brocklanders bought one. that didn't come with any eather.

Quite a lot of products that are imported into the UK that require batteries are covered under the battery directive therefore the supplier has to submit the quantity of batteries they supply which they get charged for. So suppliers are getting out of doing this by not suppling them.

We stopped providing batteries in our exercise equipment 2 years ago so we don't get charged.

Author:  mattbrown [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:18 pm ]
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these ones look the same, dont have a rating, but come in more colours

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CREE-Ultra-Bright ... ike_Lights

Author:  KeepItSteel [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:58 pm ]
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Am I the only one that was disappointed when they opened thier package?
It was alot bigger than I expected, and a bit....agricultural?

bah humbug

Author:  IDB1 [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:01 pm ]
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KeepItSteel wrote:
Am I the only one that was disappointed when they opened thier package?
It was alot bigger than I expected, and a bit....agricultural?

bah humbug


I am a little surprised fella tbh . . I was pretty impressed overall..

They are lighter and more compact than my other (much more expensive) torch..

Didn't think a pair of them crowded a pair of straight bars either...

Author:  Xesh [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:26 pm ]
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Got my lights today. Looks like they were posted on the 17th.

Well impressed with the cost/quality ratio. They're better than some lights I've seen selling for £15-20! As mentioned before the rear light bracket could be better. Not really a problem as I only bought them for the fronts. They'll be a nice backup for my BLT.

Have a look here for better batteries: http://www.fentbattery.com/en/Products.asp

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:09 pm ]
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Well i still don't have mine, maybe tomorrow if i'm lucky :) Has anyone worked out what battery could be used other than the set up it comes with?

Author:  DoctorRad [ Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:58 pm ]
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Scarfacexxx08 wrote:
Has anyone worked out what battery could be used other than the set up it comes with?


Looking here:

http://www.fentbattery.com/en/Cylindrical.asp?id=453

... a Li-ion 22430 cell would likely fit, but be a bit short, pretty much the right voltage and have up to double the capacity of the highest capacity Ni-MH AAA cells.

Don't think they're very easy to get hold of in small quantities mind you, not to mention the difficulties of finding a suitable charger.

Author:  REKIBorter [ Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:38 pm ]
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Ordered a second one and it took a week to arrive :D

Author:  BobCatMax [ Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:44 pm ]
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forgot to mention mine arrived the other day. Work kept me from the interwebs :shock:

very pleased considering the money i spent..may have to do like you lot and get some more :lol:

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:26 pm ]
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Got mine, it's poo :x

Author:  JamesM [ Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:51 pm ]
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Which one did you buy and in what way is it poo? :(

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:56 pm ]
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Easy_Rider wrote:
Got mine, it's poo :x
If it came with batteries, have you tried new ones?

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:58 pm ]
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I did the retina test and the spot only lasted 8min 37seconds so it's poo.


I'm only messing, think it's brilliant. May just buy another :wink:

Author:  JamesM [ Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:09 pm ]
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Cool :D

8min 37seconds to beat then!!!

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:19 pm ]
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Easy_Rider wrote:
I did the retina test and the spot only lasted 8min 37seconds so it's poo.


:lol:

tit . . .

Author:  Steve Kish [ Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:25 pm ]
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I now have four .... ?

Strangely enough, three are on/flash/off and the fourth (first one to arrive) is on/dim/off. Is everyone elses on/flash/off?

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:28 am ]
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I think mine arrived today, but i missed the postman so now i have to wait till Tuesday! Grrr :evil:

Author:  WD Pro [ Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:24 pm ]
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Could someone please post a pic with two of these mounted on the bars so I can get an idea on size ? :D

Cheers 8)

WD :D

Author:  The Ken [ Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:32 am ]
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you'll fit 4 easily, I have 2 bargain lights a similar sized BLTnine a computer and a bell between xlite chickenstix and XT rapidfire pods, full grips then xlite bar ends. No idea why my titanium bike weighs 32lb.

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:22 pm ]
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Well finnaly recieved mine in the post today, and am very happy wth it for the price! I can see what you all mean by the quality of the rear light and bracket. A few of you have suggested different power options, but they all seem to be way to short. Has anyone found a battery with an exact fit or a holder for one of these batteries to go in?

Author:  IDB1 [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:33 pm ]
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WD Pro wrote:
Could someone please post a pic with two of these mounted on the bars so I can get an idea on size ? :D

Cheers 8)

WD :D

Only got a head-on shot. . .

Image

On batteries.. been searching and haven't found what I'm looking for.. which is irritating..

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:43 pm ]
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please let me know as soon as you can, because i don't want to keep having to buy AAA :lol:

Author:  IDB1 [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:20 pm ]
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Take a look at 18650

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trks ... 50+battery

Could be the kiddie. . .

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:58 pm ]
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The thing is, the size of this battery is 65mm the size of the AAA holder is 55mm. I know the end cap has a spring, but will it take another 10mm?

Author:  highlandsflyer [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:18 pm ]
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No way, the spring is compressed as it is with the 55mm fitting.

Who has actually used on of those batteries in it?

:)

Author:  IDB1 [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:34 pm ]
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Nobody yet, afaik.

Author:  highlandsflyer [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:35 pm ]
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Well it ain't going in.

Author:  IDB1 [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:37 pm ]
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Why's that then?

Author:  highlandsflyer [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:48 pm ]
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65mm into a 58mm void. :)

Author:  IDB1 [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:53 pm ]
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Gotcha. .

Only reason I said it could be an alternative was because of lamps like this one

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/5W-300-Lm-CREE-Le ... 3489wt_827

that run on 3 x AAA or 1 x 18650 . . .

Author:  JamesM [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:25 pm ]
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IDB1 wrote:
Only got a head-on shot. . .

Image



Your bike looks a little bit like Johnny 5 :D

Author:  IDB1 [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:30 pm ]
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:lol:

It ain't wearing them any more... I've yet to ride it during the flipping day, let alone in poor light :roll:

Author:  highlandsflyer [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:25 am ]
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I see.

Pity though, perhaps there is a smaller length one that would fit.

:)

Author:  WD Pro [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:11 am ]
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IDB1 wrote:
WD Pro wrote:
Could someone please post a pic with two of these mounted on the bars so I can get an idea on size ? :D

Cheers 8)

WD :D

Only got a head-on shot. . .

Image

On batteries.. been searching and haven't found what I'm looking for.. which is irritating..


Thank you :D

WD :D

Author:  Enid_Puceflange [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:22 am ]
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Reminds me of "Johnny 5" (short circuit) :lol:

G

Author:  giant-one [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:45 am ]
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Both my lights came in the post this morninng. For less than £11.50 posted I'm impressed. :D

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:03 pm ]
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I've only just put some batteries in the rear, can't fault it, not sure if it would be any good if it rained. But its fine for a light to clip on your bag etc Mines got 7 functions!!!! Oh and on another note i've cut up an old 700 inner tube and stretched it over the front light to offer it more grip in the clamp and it also makes it more secure in my helmet mount! ;)

Author:  KeepItSteel [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:27 pm ]
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12 Pages?! :shock:

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:29 pm ]
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LOL and it will keep on going until someone works out what rechargable battery will fit this light! LOL

Author:  Steve Kish [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:03 pm ]
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Enid_Puceflange wrote:
Reminds me of "Johnny 5" (short circuit) :lol:

G


Yeah, 'Number Five is Alive' ... until the batteries pancake! 8)

Author:  old_coyote_pedaller [ Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:12 pm ]
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Read this thread last night and I've now bought 2 of these lights. :)


Whilst looking at the seller's listings on eBay I found this head-torch.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWAX:IT

Has anyone on here bought one and if so are they any good (for the price obviously)?
Are they the same Cree LED?

Author:  The Ken [ Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:20 pm ]
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A mate has this torch - 1 AA , smaller than the others, brighter but with a little less spread - ideal for a headtorch.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CREE-LED-270-Lm-5 ... rnsTorches

Author:  KevD [ Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:32 pm ]
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JamesM wrote:

Kev Duckworth wrote:
Also ordered, we got caught out last Thursday in the rain at Gisburn. Only just made it round the full lap the week before too as we dont start out till 7:30/7:45pm


that post was 24th, the pair of purple 7w ones arrived today, also ordered some of the others, still waiting for those but not worried.

Got the Pemesonic batties, and on/off/flash

Will try them out Thursday eve @ Gisburn

Author:  JamesM [ Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:19 pm ]
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I got mine today and it's pretty good. Very good for £4.50 and will be ideal for commuting. It's brighter than my 5 LED Smart front light (proper light, not a blinky) and has far more spill. Comparing with my 9 LED Electron Nano is more difficult as the Nano has a really clean output with no hotspot. The Saik does have a hot spot and so appears brighter but has less spill, overall I would say it outputs more light though. Next to my Eagletac with its Cree XRE-R2 emitter however, it pails in comparison. There is simply no contest when the Eagletac is in its 230 lumen high setting and even in the 60 lumen low setting the Eagltac is still visibly brigther. So, as for the claims of 5 watts, Cree and 270 lm (lumens?), well???

...............it was a tenth of the price of the Eagletac though and it came with a bike mount!!!





...........and it's purple :D :wink:

Author:  IDB1 [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:22 am ]
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CR2 batteries are 27.1mm long and 15.6mm in diameter.. possibly get a couple of those in?
Means running the LED a little hot at 6V..

And 'AF' batteries are 50.2mm long and 17mm diameter.
My catalogue didn't list the voltage and I've not looked online yet..

Author:  gray [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:38 pm ]
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Just got 2 red ones this morning, 4 days after ordering! - absolutely amazing.
Thanks for the tip LGF 8)

Author:  mowerman [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:36 pm ]
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Not wanting to be left out ordered 3 sets, only took 5 days to arrive, as of yet not tried them out 8)

Author:  trickylad [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:00 pm ]
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IDB1 wrote:
WD Pro wrote:
Could someone please post a pic with two of these mounted on the bars so I can get an idea on size ? :D

Cheers 8)

WD :D

Only got a head-on shot. . .

Image

On batteries.. been searching and haven't found what I'm looking for.. which is irritating..


That makes your lovely GT ride look like the ugly older brother of WALL-E who had a problem with the calorific cost of machine oil. :lol:

BTW - this is a pun to try and get some short lived group adoration. Not an invitation to a word scrap IDB1. :wink:

Author:  IDB1 [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:15 pm ]
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:lol: :lol:

My lovely GT ride no longer wears lights... :wink:

And, yes, it is a lovely GT ride.. thanks for noticing 8)

Author:  trickylad [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:20 pm ]
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IDB1 wrote:
:lol: :lol:

My lovely GT ride no longer wears lights... :wink:

And, yes, it is a lovely GT ride.. thanks for noticing 8)


*yawn*
























:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Author:  Pogo [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:10 am ]
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Excellent bit of kit, arrived after 3 days, well impressed. And now I've ordered some 18650 batteries to see if they'll fit, will let you know how I get on...

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:05 pm ]
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I've already tried those batteries, and they're too big :(

Author:  IDB1 [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:17 pm ]
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Waiting to see if I can source some freebie CR2's . . they are photo lithium so should last well and 27.1mm long so 2 of them may fit the space..

As I already mentioned, running at 6V could shorten the LED life (or blow it instantly but it's not that unusual to run LED's a little hot to get more performance from them - and it may be possible to add a higher rated resistor to the circuit (I haven't looked))

Author:  Pogo [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:38 pm ]
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Scarfacexxx08 wrote:
I've already tried those batteries, and they're too big :(


Damn, suppose I can use 'em to somehow replace the dead batteries in my wifes DusterBuster. She's been moping about like the dog has died and the Hoover replacement I bought to cheer her up is just not up to scratch, or so I'm told. :roll:

Author:  trickylad [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:08 pm ]
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Pogo wrote:
Scarfacexxx08 wrote:
I've already tried those batteries, and they're too big :(


Damn, suppose I can use 'em to somehow replace the dead batteries in my wifes DusterBuster. She's been moping about like the dog has died and the Hoover replacement I bought to cheer her up is just not up to scratch, or so I'm told. :roll:


aye - sounds like some batteries off ebay are just the answer to fix that one. you charmer you

:P

ordered my lights yesterday. will see how long they take to arrive. also cheekily tried to get them to combine postage for 2 sets....

they politely declined

Author:  KevD [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:27 pm ]
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Kev Duckworth wrote:
JamesM wrote:

Kev Duckworth wrote:
Also ordered, we got caught out last Thursday in the rain at Gisburn. Only just made it round the full lap the week before too as we dont start out till 7:30/7:45pm


that post was 24th, the pair of purple 7w ones arrived today, also ordered some of the others, still waiting for those but not worried.

Got the Pemesonic batties, and on/off/flash

Will try them out Thursday eve @ Gisburn


7w look the same as 5w

the 5w + rear ones arrived today, little over 2 weeks from ordering.

Thursday = Gisburn Forsest after work = test :)

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:00 pm ]
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So, anyone tried any other batteries?

Author:  mattbrown [ Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:06 pm ]
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didnt get any batteries with mine, so off to poundland i go.

Author:  JamesM [ Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:01 pm ]
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Kev Duckworth wrote:

7w look the same as 5w



They are the same. A friend ordered the 5w Cree +rear from the original link on this thread and apart from the bezel colour it's identical to my 7w one. Both are Saik SA-8.

Author:  trickylad [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:16 pm ]
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my lights arrived today. sweet baby jesus and the orphans. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
build quality and performance truly outstanding for the price
great recommendation - thanks LGF and the other thousand people who bought em

Author:  legrandefromage [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:17 pm ]
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I've just replaced the crappy batteries in mine and thought I'd gone blind.

Author:  old_coyote_pedaller [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:33 pm ]
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Received my lights today (2 sets), fitted some not fully charged Ni-MH re-chargeables and went up into attic to test them out. Suitably impressed considering how much they are. Will fit them to bike to see how they are with charged batteries tonight. Might get another 2, blue ones this time. :)

I asked earlier if anybody had bought one of these head-torches and if it was any good, but no replies. Anybody?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWAX:IT

Might just get one anyway, for 3 quid it would have to be really crap to be a waste of money.

Author:  Agency_Scum [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:37 pm ]
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I'd recommend you check the milli-amp-hour ( mAh ) power of rechargables and go for at least 1000mAh.

Author:  old_coyote_pedaller [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:44 pm ]
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Just checked and the ones I've got (from Aldi) are 750 mAh.
As someone else said Poundland "12 for paaand" triple A's might do.

Author:  Dr S [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:04 pm ]
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Ah, that time of year again.
Last year I used a Mi-Newt Duo on the bars for side fill with a Cree P7 in the middle backed up with another Cree P7 on my helmet. They were very good indeed if a little faffy turning 3 lights on and off at each stop. Batteries were 1000mAh and run time on full was around 90 mins.
Unfortunately both Crees are knackered now, one flickers all the time and one doesn't do anything. The MiNewt is ok for general night riding but in the woods it lacks firepower.

So this winter I've gone for Trout power :twisted:
The new Lumen Liberator III kicks out 2000 lumen and is really light. With the enduro battery pack you still get 3 hours on full power.
Another bonus is that they are CNC machined and anodized in the colour of your choice.

Here's the website...
http://troutie.com/?p=642

I will let you know how I get onwhen it arrives (they should have them ready for end of the month).

Author:  IDB1 [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:06 pm ]
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legrandefromage wrote:
I've just replaced the crappy batteries in mine and thought I'd gone blind.


:lol: :lol:

I had a similar experience..

Author:  legrandefromage [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:57 pm ]
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Dr S wrote:
Ah, that time of year again.
Last year I used a Mi-Newt Duo on the bars for side fill with a Cree P7 in the middle backed up with another Cree P7 on my helmet. They were very good indeed if a little faffy turning 3 lights on and off at each stop. Batteries were 1000mAh and run time on full was around 90 mins.
Unfortunately both Crees are knackered now, one flickers all the time and one doesn't do anything. The MiNewt is ok for general night riding but in the woods it lacks firepower.

So this winter I've gone for Trout power :twisted:
The new Lumen Liberator III kicks out 2000 lumen and is really light. With the enduro battery pack you still get 3 hours on full power.
Another bonus is that they are CNC machined and anodized in the colour of your choice.

Here's the website...
http://troutie.com/?p=642

I will let you know how I get onwhen it arrives (they should have them ready for end of the month).


route Mini – 1200 LUMEN
2 XPGs / 2 XPEs

1200 lumens High, 600 lumens on Medium, 200 lumens on Low

Available as bar mount or helmet mount
it uses a 7.4 volt 5.2 amp hour lithium ion battery pack

approx runtimes are
2.5 hours on High, 6 hours on Medium, 20 hours on Low

Offer price all in with a helmet mount or a bar mount and the 7.4 volt 5.2 amp hour battery /charger

£250 including shipping to the UK

International shipping add £6
additional mounts
Bar mount £15
Helmet mount £22


Thats all well and good but ours cost £11.60, for two.




Ner.

Author:  old_coyote_pedaller [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:13 pm ]
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legrandefromage wrote:



Thats all well and good but ours cost £11.60, for two.




Ner.



Er, 2 front, 2 rear. :lol:

And some of us, with a little jiggery pokery with exchange rates paid a tad less. Mine were £10.86.

Ner x2.


With thanks to De Beeg Cheese.

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:22 pm ]
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Plus other road users are going to love you with that on your bike!

Author:  dyna-ti [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:11 am ]
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legrandefromage wrote:
Dr S wrote:
Ah, that time of year again.
Last year I used a Mi-Newt Duo on the bars for side fill with a Cree P7 in the middle backed up with another Cree P7 on my helmet. They were very good indeed if a little faffy turning 3 lights on and off at each stop. Batteries were 1000mAh and run time on full was around 90 mins.
Unfortunately both Crees are knackered now, one flickers all the time and one doesn't do anything. The MiNewt is ok for general night riding but in the woods it lacks firepower.

So this winter I've gone for Trout power :twisted:
The new Lumen Liberator III kicks out 2000 lumen and is really light. With the enduro battery pack you still get 3 hours on full power.
Another bonus is that they are CNC machined and anodized in the colour of your choice.

Here's the website...
http://troutie.com/?p=642

I will let you know how I get onwhen it arrives (they should have them ready for end of the month).


route Mini – 1200 LUMEN
2 XPGs / 2 XPEs

1200 lumens High, 600 lumens on Medium, 200 lumens on Low

Available as bar mount or helmet mount
it uses a 7.4 volt 5.2 amp hour lithium ion battery pack

approx runtimes are
2.5 hours on High, 6 hours on Medium, 20 hours on Low

Offer price all in with a helmet mount or a bar mount and the 7.4 volt 5.2 amp hour battery /charger

£250 including shipping to the UK

International shipping add £6
additional mounts
Bar mount £15
Helmet mount £22


Thats all well and good but ours cost £11.60, for two.




Ner.

This looks quite interesting too :? 1200 lumens 6.4 AH
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SSC-P7-1200Lm-LED ... 230a125952

Author:  BerthaPog [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:59 am ]
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Quote:
This looks quite interesting too 1200 lumens 6.4 AH
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SSC-P7-1200Lm-LED ... 230a125952


Isn't that the DealExtreme ones just via different seller on the bay - with postage, price is all but identical.

Author:  Dr S [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:20 am ]
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Scarfacexxx08 wrote:
Plus other road users are going to love you with that on your bike!


I don't ride on the road. Roads are for cars :D

LGF, That's the Trout Mini you have quoted, the liberator is 2000 lumen with a 3 hour run time. P7s are good but unreliable and the spread of light is poor- that's why you need 2 or 3 up front. You don't want to get caught out with no lights where I ride on a night, it's bad enough with lights.

Over the last month we have had 2 airlifts- one suspected broken back and a broken leg, a broken finger and an impailment. Add to that my two broken ribs and a fractured wrist and then consider the loss of income whilst these things are fixed, 250 on a powerful and reliable light makes good sense.
You would not scrimp on bike or helmet when riding big stuff so why scrimp on lights??

Author:  the great roberto [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:20 am ]
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Dr S wrote:
Scarfacexxx08 wrote:
Plus other road users are going to love you with that on your bike!


I don't ride on the road. Roads are for cars :D

LGF, That's the Trout Mini you have quoted, the liberator is 2000 lumen with a 3 hour run time. P7s are good but unreliable and the spread of light is poor- that's why you need 2 or 3 up front. You don't want to get caught out with no lights where I ride on a night, it's bad enough with lights.

Over the last month we have had 2 airlifts- one suspected broken back and a broken leg, a broken finger and an impailment. Add to that my two broken ribs and a fractured wrist and then consider the loss of income whilst these things are fixed, 250 on a powerful and reliable light makes good sense.
You would not scrimp on bike or helmet when riding big stuff so why scrimp on lights??



Chaps

Are we not getting a bit over-excited here.
I too bought a set of these cheapo lights. Brilliant for the money. The rear is fine and is on the zaskar. The front is great vfm as well.

Would i use the front off road. no.even with nimh 1000mA batteries. It's great for commuting, great for being seen, and ok for on road in the country.

off road.no.

Yep, i've got 2 hope 1's and a couple of £25 p7 led torches. one on the helmet, the other on the bars. this provides plenty of light off road, and lasts 3hrs ago.And so it should given the cost.

but if i'm out for a quick ride in the evening, the cheapo ebay special is morethan adequate.

Author:  cchris2lou [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:32 am ]
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as above , you cant compare the two .

Trout has a very good reputation and he is very available too .

I am very happy with my deal extreme magic shine and will carry on with them this year , might order a second set to mount on helmet .

unless you are steve peat training at night i dont see the point in having too much light .

Author:  Pogo [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:42 am ]
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the great roberto wrote:
Would i use the front off road. no.even with nimh 1000mA batteries. It's great for commuting, great for being seen, and ok for on road in the country.

off road.no.



I am waiting on some 1800 mAh from Hong Kong,
£5.13 delivered for 16 AAA's.

I'm hoping to use them in the three lights I bought.
Using them off road in Snowdonia I might add, and it ain't because of wishful thinking but because I'm skint. If it means I have to go slower on the descent then so be it as long as I can ride through the Winter.

So big up for LGF for making me aware of these lights at such an affordable price.

No one is dissing those who have bought much more expensive or better lighting systems. It's a personal choice and you get what you can afford but it does strike me as odd that posters are coming on to this thread and commenting on their lighting systems that are costing hundreds of pounds on a thread that is making people aware of a cost effective alternative for those who want to ride at night but can't afford the professional custom systems.

Author:  IDB1 [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:07 pm ]
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With Far Eastern advancements, it is possible to get more than you pay for these days ;)

Author:  redrabbitrun [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:16 pm ]
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Got mine earlier this week, not had a chance to fit them yet but they look and feel very well made and are bright enough for the money.

I would use them off road but I'm used to much worse things from my youth. I reckon the two on the bars and another pair on the lid would be plenty enough for me and still be very cheap.

I would like to know weather one of those P7 torches would put out more light than 2 or 3 of these cheapies? This is not meant as a smart comment or a firestarter, I'm genuinely curious.

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:18 pm ]
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The p7 torches will still be brighter, but you tend to find they're a more focused beam and not flood

Author:  IDB1 [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:47 pm ]
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4 x 1W could be more versatile than 1 x 4W . . . . . not that I know the output of these or of a P7 . . it's just an example

Going lamping with the dogs tonight.. first chance I'll get to properly compare 1 of these with my Peli - expecting it'll stand up well, all thing considered . . . 8)

Author:  the great roberto [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:53 pm ]
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Scarfacexxx08 wrote:
The p7 torches will still be brighter, but you tend to find they're a more focused beam and not flood


my mte p7 led torch is very flooded.excellant for commuting and off -raod. to be fair, i would not spend the money on hope 1's today.

I have 2 p7's and a very focused cree 600 lumen thingy. in fact toooooo focused for riding.I strugle to find anything far enough away to point it at.

the p7 torches for about £25 are excellant. But then so are these cheapos as well.

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:06 pm ]
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I have an Exposure Maxx Daddy which i won in an online competition on my bars and use the p7 torch as a helmet light For when i'm off-road On another bike i have 2 of these ebay lights on the bar which i use for commuting. I would also use them as a helmet light, but not as my main light to go off-road with

Author:  legrandefromage [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:17 pm ]
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Dr S wrote:
Scarfacexxx08 wrote:
Plus other road users are going to love you with that on your bike!


I don't ride on the road. Roads are for cars :D

LGF, That's the Trout Mini you have quoted, the liberator is 2000 lumen with a 3 hour run time. P7s are good but unreliable and the spread of light is poor- that's why you need 2 or 3 up front. You don't want to get caught out with no lights where I ride on a night, it's bad enough with lights.

Over the last month we have had 2 airlifts- one suspected broken back and a broken leg, a broken finger and an impailment. Add to that my two broken ribs and a fractured wrist and then consider the loss of income whilst these things are fixed, 250 on a powerful and reliable light makes good sense.
You would not scrimp on bike or helmet when riding big stuff so why scrimp on lights??


Not riding at night would make more sense than wasting £250.

Author:  jamabikes [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:18 pm ]
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cant believe no ones said it! so here it is
































i love lamp.




















:lol: :lol: :lol:

Author:  Dr S [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:35 pm ]
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LGF wrote:
Not riding at night would make more sense than wasting £250.


Riding at night is all I can do. I'm working between 70-90 hours a week at the moment. I don't just want to bimble about on footpaths either. Climbing 1000ft and then hammering down a steep rock chute is my only way of relieving work pressure. I want to be able to see what I'm doing.

I have only riden in daylight on 3-4 occasions since April, so a good light is a good investment.

Author:  old_coyote_pedaller [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:42 pm ]
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legrandefromage wrote:

Not riding at night would make more sense than wasting £250.



True, can't see how it's justified to spend £250 on bike lights, £50/60 maybe but 250 quid?

On the other hand, in another lifetime, I used to drive about with 4 Cibie Oscars on the front of my Mini, which are about 100 quid each now, weren't cheap then either.

Author:  cchris2lou [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:54 pm ]
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legrandefromage wrote:
Dr S wrote:
Scarfacexxx08 wrote:
Plus other road users are going to love you with that on your bike!


I don't ride on the road. Roads are for cars :D

LGF, That's the Trout Mini you have quoted, the liberator is 2000 lumen with a 3 hour run time. P7s are good but unreliable and the spread of light is poor- that's why you need 2 or 3 up front. You don't want to get caught out with no lights where I ride on a night, it's bad enough with lights.

Over the last month we have had 2 airlifts- one suspected broken back and a broken leg, a broken finger and an impailment. Add to that my two broken ribs and a fractured wrist and then consider the loss of income whilst these things are fixed, 250 on a powerful and reliable light makes good sense.
You would not scrimp on bike or helmet when riding big stuff so why scrimp on lights??


Not riding at night would make more sense than wasting £250.


:lol:

I use mine to commute too , so they get used quite a lot .

Author:  Dr S [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:58 pm ]
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I find it funny to be on a website where its OK to spend £200 on some white tyres which you can't ride but its classed as foolish to spend the same on a light that means you can get out and ride after work.

Some people spend the same on a weekend piss up. Now thats wasting money.

Author:  old_coyote_pedaller [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:11 pm ]
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I wouldn't say it's foolish to buy lights costing that much but I can't justify it for myself.
Agree about white tyres or any other bike parts that are there to be looked at rather than used, why the feck do we have bikes in the first place, to ride them of course. So if that involves riding at night, it's up to the individual to spend what he/she thinks is justified. Me, although I like riding at night I don't like it enough to spend £250. :)

Author:  jamabikes [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:03 pm ]
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the way i see it is £250 is less than a pound a day. spend more than that on pop. that is a waste!

Author:  KeepItSteel [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:02 pm ]
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Im with you all the way Dr S, with the nights drawing in it becomes so frustrating that there is no daylight riding time.
With a baby at home I dont get much chance to ride until 8pm onwards...so £250 is a decent investment if it means hassle free night riding.
For some people, riding a bike is a release, and a genuine life long love...those who would rather sit at home and look at their bikes obviously dont get the same thrill.

Whats with the arrogance?

Author:  legrandefromage [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:38 pm ]
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Ok i'll bite. Thankfully those people spending £200 on white tyres are few and far between. The rest of us live in the real world where budgets are not quite so generous. For £250 I could build a set of 'decent' lights and have enough change to buy a retrobike to ride with. My life depends on £8 worth of Bosch H7 bulbs every night - they work well enough.

Author:  Pogo [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:43 pm ]
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KeepItSteel wrote:
Im with you all the way Dr S, with the nights drawing in it becomes so frustrating that there is no daylight riding time.
With a baby at home I dont get much chance to ride until 8pm onwards...so £250 is a decent investment

Whats with the arrogance?


Errm, there's no arrogance being shown from my point of view. Just an appreciation of a post that highlights the availability of some cheap lights that are available on ebay.

Then comes along some recommendation for some lights that cost £350.

Nowt wrong with starting a new thread about your uber wonderful lighting system. But for those of us that are broke it does feel like a situation where the bloke cartwheels through the amputee ward.

Yes, we'd all like to have the choice of buying them but circumstances mean it's not possible.

No arrogance intended on my behalf.

Author:  Pogo [ Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:43 pm ]
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legrandefromage wrote:
Ok i'll bite. Thankfully those people spending £200 on white tyres are few and far between. The rest of us live in the real world where budgets are not quite so generous. For £250 I could build a set of 'decent' lights and have enough change to buy a retrobike to ride with. My life depends on £8 worth of Bosch H7 bulbs every night - they work well enough.


Yeah. I'm with you.

And thanks again for starting the thread 'cos now I can afford to ride at night cheers.

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:04 am ]
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Well.. out lamping tonight, fresh (Zinc chloride) batteries and almost zero light pollution, I reckon the visibility was about 20m..

The biggest hindrance to these is, imo, probably the reflector.. but hey. . . 20m!! 8)

If I was 'hardcore' night riding I'd probably make a larger investment but, for anything I'm likely to ever do, a couple of these will be tops... 8)

Author:  legrandefromage [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:24 am ]
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I have some 3 quid multi led cheapies that im trying to integrate into a 15 year old cateye 6v system. They have more of a flood pattern

Author:  legrandefromage [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:27 am ]
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Pogo wrote:
Just an appreciation of a post that highlights the availability of some cheap lights that are available on ebay.

Then comes along some recommendation for some lights that cost £350.

Nowt wrong with starting a new thread about your uber wonderful lighting system. But for those of us that are broke it does feel like a situation where the bloke cartwheels through the amputee ward.

Yes, we'd all like to have the choice of buying them but circumstances mean it's not possible.

No arrogance intended on my behalf.
:-D:-D:-D

Author:  JamesM [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:30 am ]
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Those Troute lights are immense. If I did enough night riding I would buy one without question. Funny how no one comments when someone spends £250 - £300 on a set of disc brakes, but the comments would come flying in if you spent £10.

Anyway these lights are great for the money but to offroad properly (i.e fast downhill) you do need a good few hundred lumens and these lights I would guess are around 50. I've ridden offroad with three similar power lights (two on the bars and one on the lid) and my average pace was okay but I did have to hold back alot on the downhills. I now have two Eagletac torches (one on the bars and one on the lid), both around 200 lumens (£40 ish each). With these the beam is a little tight but I get on okay with them. I can go flat out downhill on my SS on the trails I know, but on a geared bike and on unfamiliar trails I'd definitely need more light before I could really turn that big ring.

All that said it can be alot of fun with less powerfull lights. Part of the fun of riding in the dark is riding in the dark and it's not dark when you have a Troute Lumen Liberator!!!

Author:  amy43 [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:04 am ]
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how much? and what about the shipment fee is it included?

Author:  legrandefromage [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:39 am ]
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JamesM wrote:
Funny how no one comments when someone spends £250 - £300 on a set of disc brakes, but the comments would come flying in if you spent £10.
yes it is funny when we were discussing cheap ebay lights and not white tyres or disc brakes

Author:  kaiser [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:28 am ]
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I quite like the bargain bucket approach , for the last few years I've been mounting a variety of torches on my bars and I've been pleased with the results, homemade setup has been in the pipeline for donkeys. DrS just always has to have the hardest,fastest,rarest,dearest stuff otherwise its just not cricket :P Gazz and Rado had these the other night and I reckon they're a fine base for a good system, two of them and add a headtorch.

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:37 am ]
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legrandefromage wrote:
I have some 3 quid multi led cheapies that im trying to integrate into a 15 year old cateye 6v system. They have more of a flood pattern


I have 5 of these.. got them cheaper than these ones though ;)
Put a couple on one of the kids bikes and the rails that attach the torch to the bracket broke.. rather quickly..

Very much be seen than see where you're going in the pitch dark though ;)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Power-Beam-LED-Bi ... 2048wt_930

kaiser wrote:
I quite like the bargain bucket approach.
Me too..
My hunting gear, bar my air rifle, is second hand army surplus, home made nets, collars, leads, bargain lights and knives (when ebay used to allow knives) . . .

I could save for a short while and buy high-ish end gear but I get greater gratification from sorting it out on a budget ;)

Wanting to overpower these lights a bit now.. bet the results would be worth it 8)

Author:  KeepItSteel [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:32 pm ]
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Theres nothing wrong at all with bargain bucket approach, I follow it as much as possible.
In fact, you have around 16 pages of people praising your bargain lights right here. Heck, I even bought one (and am pleased with its performance).

Dr S simply made a comment that he's more comforatable/happy/safe with an expensive set.
In truth, DR S' lights almost certainly work better than all of your cheapo's and therefore are fit for his purposes.

I dont see it as dick swinging / showing off / or even thread hi-jacking.. I see it as a discussion about bike parts.

Some of you are way too touchy. Not just in this thread.
Is this really a discussion about disposable income? or about cheap lights that do a good job?
Who cares if you are skint? No-one is showing off here, just discussing solutions. If you cant afford one solution why slate somebody who can?
Just because you have thousands of posts on a website, doesnt make you an authoritayyyyy and doesnt justify the sarcasm.

Author:  legrandefromage [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:31 pm ]
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last time I looked we were discussing cheap & cheerful lights.

NOT post counts, white tyres, disc brakes. :roll:

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:31 pm ]
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legrandefromage wrote:
NOT post counts


Yeah . . but . . I'm fast approaching 4k!! . . . 8)

Author:  KeepItSteel [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:54 pm ]
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legrandefromage wrote:
last time I looked we were discussing cheap & cheerful lights.

NOT post counts, white tyres, disc brakes. :roll:


last time I looked you were busy belittling someone, again.

Discussions evolve. Thats the nature of conversation.

:roll:

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:33 pm ]
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Well getting back to the subject of these ebay lights, i have tried some of the CR2 batteries and other than them being a bit narrow they work well! If anything a tiny bit brighter. Might see if i can make a shim for the batteries then order some rechargable ones!

Author:  The Ken [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:20 pm ]
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is that 2x cr2 stacked? (6V)

Author:  Dr S [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:57 pm ]
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I was entering a debate about cheap lights. I think that the £250 for a Trout light that kicks out 2000 lumen is cheap when compared to a Lupine that gives 1700 Lumen for over £700 (last time I looked).
No dick swinging, just entering the debate. If you want to get onto income may i add i spend what i can on bikes and riding- its my passion. I don't go out on the piss, don't take fancy holidays, work my bollocks off and I havn't bought a pair of jeans in 3 years. Spending a bit on a light that will give me good service for many years and many hours of enjoyment is good value to me. And you forget I'm from Yorkshire and we don't like spending if we can get away with it!!
If you want to get all bitchy then fine. Enjoy your 150 lumen lights and steady back lane bimbles.

Author:  KeepItSteel [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:12 pm ]
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I tried to make the same points, it didnt go down well.

Author:  JamesM [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:05 pm ]
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+1

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:10 pm ]
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The Ken wrote:
is that 2x cr2 stacked? (6V)



Yes, runs no problem at all. As i said you just need a shim of some kind to keep them secure in there.

Author:  mrplow [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:14 pm ]
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These look great gone for a pair of the gold ones but I think I'll try and 'rub' them down to silver. If anyone has [new] reds and desperately wants to swap for golds then I could probably accommodate when they arrive.

Thanks to OP!

Author:  Agency_Scum [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:10 pm ]
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I'm so looking forward to this Monday evening. I'm taking out our club's first nightride of the season for beginners' level. I bought a load of Tesco torches as club lights ( beginners don't go daft-fast ) but these seem even better!
I'll be taking these " L.G.F. recommended " lights on my bike as a test set. I've not tried " real world " burn times with 1000mAh NiMH batteries yet but I'm very hopeful!
I'll let you know how Monday goes.

Author:  Pogo [ Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:59 pm ]
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The 1800mAh batteries arrived today.
Now cycling them through the charger four at a time,
should be ready to go in about 10 days and am looking forward to seeing how they cope with my normal 40 minute training circuit.

I'm keen to know the effects of drain on the batteries,
what will be the burn time, finding the ideal point of discharge before re-charging etc.
All other experiences would be much appreciated. ta.

Author:  Neil [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:25 am ]
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Dr S wrote:
I was entering a debate about cheap lights. I think that the £250 for a Trout light that kicks out 2000 lumen is cheap when compared to a Lupine that gives 1700 Lumen for over £700 (last time I looked).
No dick swinging, just entering the debate. If you want to get onto income may i add i spend what i can on bikes and riding- its my passion. I don't go out on the piss, don't take fancy holidays, work my bollocks off and I havn't bought a pair of jeans in 3 years. Spending a bit on a light that will give me good service for many years and many hours of enjoyment is good value to me. And you forget I'm from Yorkshire and we don't like spending if we can get away with it!!

Personally, I agree with LGF on this.

He started the thread about cheap LED lights. It's nothing about income, nothing about cost relative to other things, just some cheap lights on ebay that many have been delighted with.

No matter how you paint it, £250 is not cheap for a set of lights - perhaps for some, money well spent, perhaps for some, relative to other expenditure, they may be relatively cheap. But they are certainly not absolutely cheap - and people reading a thread about a set of lights from ebay that cost around the £5 mark, then talking about some lights that sell at around £250 is way different - and quite likely going to be seen as p1ssing on lamposts. So the whole "entering the debate" thing is nonsense, because £250 lights are in an entirely different market to lights costing around a fiver.

I'll accept, they may be a great set of lights - they may be very good for their cost, but they are significantly different in price compared with the topic of this thread. If, as you say, they are great, and such a relative bargain, then they should sustain their own thread on effectively "Money no object LED lights" - and maybe it'll have a similar degree of participation as this one.
Dr S wrote:
If you want to get all bitchy then fine. Enjoy your 150 lumen lights and steady back lane bimbles.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Author:  KeepItSteel [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:44 am ]
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Neil wrote:
Dr S wrote:
I was entering a debate about cheap lights. I think that the £250 for a Trout light that kicks out 2000 lumen is cheap when compared to a Lupine that gives 1700 Lumen for over £700 (last time I looked).
No dick swinging, just entering the debate. If you want to get onto income may i add i spend what i can on bikes and riding- its my passion. I don't go out on the piss, don't take fancy holidays, work my bollocks off and I havn't bought a pair of jeans in 3 years. Spending a bit on a light that will give me good service for many years and many hours of enjoyment is good value to me. And you forget I'm from Yorkshire and we don't like spending if we can get away with it!!

Personally, I agree with LGF on this.

He started the thread about cheap LED lights. It's nothing about income, nothing about cost relative to other things, just some cheap lights on ebay that many have been delighted with.

No matter how you paint it, £250 is not cheap for a set of lights - perhaps for some, money well spent, perhaps for some, relative to other expenditure, they may be relatively cheap. But they are certainly not absolutely cheap - and people reading a thread about a set of lights from ebay that cost around the £5 mark, then talking about some lights that sell at around £250 is way different - and quite likely going to be seen as p1ssing on lamposts. So the whole "entering the debate" thing is nonsense, because £250 lights are in an entirely different market to lights costing around a fiver.

I'll accept, they may be a great set of lights - they may be very good for their cost, but they are significantly different in price compared with the topic of this thread. If, as you say, they are great, and such a relative bargain, then they should sustain their own thread on effectively "Money no object LED lights" - and maybe it'll have a similar degree of participation as this one.


I guaratee if someone started a 'money no object LED light' thread, then the same ones moaning on here would chip in with the ''why pay that much when you can spend £5?'' argument...
Its swings and roundabouts.

I dont really think the point was ever about relative costs, it was just a different point of view being offered.
And as we have now discovered, some of you dont like different points of view.

Author:  legrandefromage [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:51 am ]
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oh god, make it stop...

Author:  kaiser [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:58 am ]
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I wish Brant Richards or On One would make some lights. :twisted:


KeepItSteel, has anyone really had a go at anybody on this thread? I can't seem to find any argybargy :?

Author:  legrandefromage [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:10 am ]
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kaiser wrote:
I wish Brant Richards or On One would make some lights. :twisted:


KeepItSteel, has anyone really had a go at anybody on this thread? I can't seem to find any argybargy :?



No! NO! Dont encourage him!


I dismantled mine in the taxi last night and with the reflector off its like a good flood light.

I will see how I can integrate it into something else just to see if I can.

Author:  kaiser [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:12 am ]
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I always fancied building into an old ever ready plastic thing or a chrome 70's style lamp housing.

Author:  legrandefromage [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:23 am ]
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The old Eveready Nightrider accepts two 4 packs of AA batteries in place of the two D cells which in turn makes one helluva bright light when using a 7.2v Krypton or Halogen bulb.

Author:  IDB1 [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:52 am ]
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I've been adapting one of those 2million candlepower handheld torches to have a remote battery..

If I ever finish it I reckon it'll be mountable on the stem.. cable to a battery pack which could be velcro'd under the seat..

Couple of spares in a backpack (they are the small-ish lead acid units - not excessively heavy) and I reckon it'd be hard to beat (current cost is about a tenner, plus 2 spare batteries at about a fiver each)..

Author:  BobCatMax [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:08 pm ]
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Now that I would like to see fella

Author:  Neil [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:58 pm ]
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KeepItSteel wrote:
I guaratee if someone started a 'money no object LED light' thread, then the same ones moaning on here would chip in with the ''why pay that much when you can spend £5?'' argument...

Well there's only one way to find out - be the ball, Johnny.

If you want to discuss "money no object LED lights" then start a thread about it.

I just dispute the relevance in a thread about bargain bucket priced lights.
KeepItSteel wrote:
I dont really think the point was ever about relative costs, it was just a different point of view being offered.
And as we have now discovered, some of you dont like different points of view.

Personally, I've nothing against different points of view - I just don't get the sense in p1ssing on lamp-posts talking about high-end lights, on a thread about bargain basement lights.

You were wrong about swings and roundabouts - the trite cliche you want is apples and oranges.

Author:  Neil [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:59 pm ]
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kaiser wrote:
I always fancied building into an old ever ready plastic thing or a chrome 70's style lamp housing.

Now that's something I'd love to see - go to it.

Author:  Dr S [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:01 pm ]
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Neil, that's your opinion on both the thread and it's subject. The thread is about bargain lights and has gone on for 15 pages. I was offering a different perspective. Again I will point out that the Trout is a bargain when compared to lights with similar (or lower outputs). It is not pissing on lamp posts at all and fits within the topic. Are we only allowed to discuss one particular product?? Not everyone would want to ride with these lights, some may be interested in higher performing products (some people consider items on Value for Money terms, Bang for Buck). If you are happy with your lights then fine, enjoy them, others might want a better alternative, allow them to speak, to have an opinion too just as you do. Are we so sensitive that we are not allowed to have something better? Do we resort to keying posh cars now because we can't afford them ourselves?.
Another thing I would like to point out about Troutie, he's a normal bloke working in his shed in a back garden in Yorkshire. Local companies make the casings and do the machining and anodizing. These are British made lights which have had a lot of thought put into them. They are competetivly priced against similar products made in the far east. For that alone I think the deserve a little mention in this thread.

Author:  Neil [ Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:28 pm ]
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Dr S wrote:
Neil, that's your opinion on both the thread and it's subject. The thread is about bargain lights and has gone on for 15 pages. I was offering a different perspective. Again I will point out that the Trout is a bargain when compared to lights with similar (or lower outputs). It is not pissing on lamp posts at all and fits within the topic. Are we only allowed to discuss one particular product?? Not everyone would want to ride with these lights, some may be interested in higher performing products (some people consider items on Value for Money terms, Bang for Buck). If you are happy with your lights then fine, enjoy them, others might want a better alternative, allow them to speak, to have an opinion too just as you do. Are we so sensitive that we are not allowed to have something better? Do we resort to keying posh cars now because we can't afford them ourselves?.
Another thing I would like to point out about Troutie, he's a normal bloke working in his shed in a back garden in Yorkshire. Local companies make the casings and do the machining and anodizing. These are British made lights which have had a lot of thought put into them. They are competetivly priced against similar products made in the far east. For that alone I think the deserve a little mention in this thread.

As to it being my opinion, damn straight. And I'm just as entitled to it as you are.

As to the relevance of £250 LED lights to a thread started about bargain bike lights on ebay (that are roughly a fiver each) - there's a huge order of magnitude in difference in price - I think to the point that most people who read the thread to start off with, and perhaps bought some of these lights, may well fail to see the relevance a product that's roughly 50x more expensive.

It's not about sensitivity, nor about inverted snobbery, it's just about relevance. Maybe you do actually believe there's some relevance in advocating a product costing £250 in a thread discussing lights costing around a fiver. In the same spirit of everybody being free to express their opinion, what's wrong with expressing the opinion on why it's not equitable to float the discussion of high(er) end lights on their own thread?

Author:  trickylad [ Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:25 pm ]
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Before posting this I took counsel from Kofi Annan - better be prepared

Anyway.

Anyone else struggled to get the front light to clamp hard on your oversize bars?

i can't use the fat shim grip - too big

the thin one tightens but when i get the light installed it slips around

Baie dankie en totsiens

(cheers kofi)

Author:  dyna-ti [ Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:23 pm ]
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IDB1 wrote:
I've been adapting one of those 2million candlepower handheld torches to have a remote battery..

If I ever finish it I reckon it'll be mountable on the stem.. cable to a battery pack which could be velcro'd under the seat..

Couple of spares in a backpack (they are the small-ish lead acid units - not excessively heavy) and I reckon it'd be hard to beat (current cost is about a tenner, plus 2 spare batteries at about a fiver each)..


My mate had one of these
Fully charged battery lasted 15 mins.

Author:  JamesM [ Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:05 pm ]
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trickylad wrote:
Before posting this I took counsel from Kofi Annan - better be prepared

Anyway.

Anyone else struggled to get the front light to clamp hard on your oversize bars?

i can't use the fat shim grip - too big

the thin one tightens but when i get the light installed it slips around

Baie dankie en totsiens

(cheers kofi)


You could try wrapping some insulation tape around the bars first. It should mean the clamp does up tighter and the rubber shim will grip the tape better than the aluminium of the bar.

Author:  IDB1 [ Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:17 pm ]
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dyna-ti wrote:
IDB1 wrote:
I've been adapting one of those 2million candlepower handheld torches to have a remote battery..

If I ever finish it I reckon it'll be mountable on the stem.. cable to a battery pack which could be velcro'd under the seat..

Couple of spares in a backpack (they are the small-ish lead acid units - not excessively heavy) and I reckon it'd be hard to beat (current cost is about a tenner, plus 2 spare batteries at about a fiver each)..


My mate had one of these
Fully charged battery lasted 15 mins.


Before I started the cut'n'shut I got about 40mins, the last 10mins dropping off quite badly..

3 batteries, in series, on a belt pack (they're not overly heavy) would treble the burn time.

Author:  Enid_Puceflange [ Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:55 pm ]
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JamesM wrote:
trickylad wrote:
Before posting this I took counsel from Kofi Annan - better be prepared

Anyway.

Anyone else struggled to get the front light to clamp hard on your oversize bars?

i can't use the fat shim grip - too big

the thin one tightens but when i get the light installed it slips around

Baie dankie en totsiens

(cheers kofi)


You could try wrapping some insulation tape around the bars first. It should mean the clamp does up tighter and the rubber shim will grip the tape better than the aluminium of the bar.


After having spent the best part of £60 on some bling Renthal DH bars

Im certainly not putting tape on them beauties :roll:

May wrap a bit of old innertube round before the rubber shim :wink:

I wish these threads would stay "on topic" :roll:

Gc

Author:  Mr Panda [ Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:59 pm ]
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Bargain Ebay lights - went out with them tonight - extremely good and worth the tenner I paid for four lights :wink:

Sad we have to import them from the other end of the planet but that is just current market forces, unfortunately.

Working on a couple of civil engineering jobs at the moment and really pee'd off that its MUCH cheaper to buy 10 tons of granite, shipped from Ch*na to the Scottish west coast, than quarry or obtain it locally or at least in the UK.

Mindblowingly undefathomable but true. Now aiming for another Ch*nese free xmas target, but will probably miss. :roll:

Author:  JamesM [ Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:20 am ]
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Enid_Puceflange wrote:
JamesM wrote:
trickylad wrote:
Before posting this I took counsel from Kofi Annan - better be prepared

Anyway.

Anyone else struggled to get the front light to clamp hard on your oversize bars?

i can't use the fat shim grip - too big

the thin one tightens but when i get the light installed it slips around

Baie dankie en totsiens

(cheers kofi)


You could try wrapping some insulation tape around the bars first. It should mean the clamp does up tighter and the rubber shim will grip the tape better than the aluminium of the bar.


After having spent the best part of £60 on some bling Renthal DH bars

Im certainly not putting tape on them beauties :roll:

May wrap a bit of old innertube round before the rubber shim :wink:

I wish these threads would stay "on topic" :roll:

Gc


Fair enough. You could try electrical loom tape from a car shop. It's a bit like insulation tape but without the glue. It sticks to itself but won't leave a mess on your bars. It much thinner than an inner tube too so you can wrap it round as many or as few times as you need to get the clamp to grip as tight as you think necassary. I've used it in the past for just this problem and it worked well. It's narrower than the clamp too so you won't see it once the light brakcet is fitted. On my original post I just thought it would be easier to suggest insualtion tape as everyone has some of that kicking around.

You could also try putting the bracket on backwards with the light in it the wrong way round so the weight of the light is more centralised with respect to the clamp.

Author:  hamster [ Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:39 am ]
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The 'wrong way round bracket' trick is much neater and works well for me.

These lights are about as good as a Hope Vision one setting off max. LEDs are improving at an incredible rate at present. However, it will be interesting to see how good they are after a winter of damp and muck - then the build quality can be assessed. I've bought a second set on the basis of my experience with the first.

Author:  IDB1 [ Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:21 pm ]
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These of any potential use for those having bracket problems??

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cycling-Bike-Sili ... 5283wt_858

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:25 pm ]
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I was just looking at my 2 lights and one light is whiter/blue than the other. bit odd i thought

Author:  IDB1 [ Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:28 pm ]
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White LED's come in all sorts of 'shades' of white.. from almost piddle yellow through to Persil blue/white. . .

Author:  hamster [ Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:21 pm ]
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They come in all shades as a result of manufacturing variability. Expensive ones are sorted, cheaper ones ain't.

Author:  WD Pro [ Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:50 pm ]
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Well my jiffy bag turned up today marked as a USB cable with a value of 5 USD ;-) :lol: imagine how disappointed I was when I found four purple bezzled lights in it 8)

Less than 11 days from payment to delivery 8)

All four have the white / blue style light 8)

WD :D

Author:  Enid_Puceflange [ Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:22 pm ]
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hamster wrote:
The 'wrong way round bracket' trick is much neater and works well for me.


Yeah, 'twas one of the first things I did :wink:

G

Author:  IDB1 [ Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:29 pm ]
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hamster wrote:
They come in all shades as a result of manufacturing variability. Expensive ones are sorted, cheaper ones ain't.


Don't wholly agree with that tbh..

Since first buying them, there's been 'warm white' available.. in my experience (I'm no expert, just a layman who's been dabbling for about 10 years) it's more about the source than the cost.
It took me a couple of years to find a supplier/manufacturer who would reliably send exactly what I wanted and not lie about the specs.. they also were one of the cheapest.

Author:  Agency_Scum [ Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:56 pm ]
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They're EXCELLENT!! A proper, full 2 hour burn time with 1000mAh NiMH batteries. The limted focus of the beams work better than expected ( one, long spot and the other, close flood ). Excellent for a big-@rsed ample in the wood but poor for downhill/hardcore shenanigans.

Jus to recap, the lights Legrandfromage recommended are here...http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWNX:IT ( bloody linking thing don't work )

The gold ones are here...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 3699wt_913

Author:  highlandsflyer [ Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:12 am ]
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Neil wrote:
As to the relevance of £250 LED lights to a thread started about bargain bike lights on ebay (that are roughly a fiver each) - there's a huge order of magnitude in difference in price - I think to the point that most people who read the thread to start off with, and perhaps bought some of these lights, may well fail to see the relevance a product that's roughly 50x more expensive.

It's not about sensitivity, nor about inverted snobbery, it's just about relevance. Maybe you do actually believe there's some relevance in advocating a product costing £250 in a thread discussing lights costing around a fiver. In the same spirit of everybody being free to express their opinion, what's wrong with expressing the opinion on why it's not equitable to float the discussion of high(er) end lights on their own thread?



I would say that discussion of any lighting system on a thread about lights is fair game.

Author:  Agency_Scum [ Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:46 am ]
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I'm getting sets of these now to replace some of our club's more antiquated lights...you know; the ones that 3 years ago cost me £120 but have the same bleedin' power as these £5 cheapies that come with free mounts and free rear lights...

Image

@rse!!

Author:  WD Pro [ Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:58 pm ]
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The Panacronic batteries supplied with mine are about as useful as a mans nipple :lol:

I only have enough spare Duracell's for one torch but the differance in output is :shock: most noticeable on flash mode.

WD :D

Author:  stu76 [ Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:57 pm ]
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Thanks LGF, I love a bargain!

Mine arrived on Saturday and I tried them out on Sunday evening. Although not pitch black it was dark enough to need lights, especially through the trees. I was using one mounted on the bars alongside a tesco 3w cree (all the rage about this time last year!). They looked about the same in terms of brightness but the spread and size of hot spot on the 5w is much better.

They are more than adequate for my needs, I'll be putting two side by side on the bars and the 3w on my lid. Also be investing in some decent nimh rechargeables.

I just hope they dont go the same way as my 'bargain' mini DV cam which has died on me after 6 months!

Author:  IDB1 [ Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:12 pm ]
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stu76 wrote:
I just hope they dont go the same way as my 'bargain' mini DV cam which has died on me after 6 months!


Have a look inside the light and you'll see there's very little to go wrong ;)

If the LED blows a replacement is relatively easy to solder back in. . . 8)

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:04 pm ]
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It makes you wonder how much profit they make from these lights as they're selling the rear light here

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SAFETY-LIGHT-LED- ... 35aa92fa21

Author:  02gf74 [ Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:34 pm ]
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blimey, just seen this. that is cheap!!!!

.... or you can make your own :roll:

Author:  IDB1 [ Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:38 pm ]
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02gf74 wrote:
blimey, just seen this. that is cheap!!!!

.... or you can make your own :roll:
At what cost?

Author:  02gf74 [ Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:41 pm ]
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legrandefromage wrote:
I'll remind you again - £1.50 plus postage....



You woz robbed, now £ 1.28 plus postage :D

Author:  02gf74 [ Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:43 pm ]
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IDB1 wrote:
02gf74 wrote:
blimey, just seen this. that is cheap!!!!

.... or you can make your own :roll:
At what cost?


lot more than £ 1.50; the LED emitters cost about £ 5 each then there is the holder, lenses drivers, casing etc ..... that was over a year ago and LED technology is getting better and cheaper.

BTW I am using a LiPo bettery now.

Author:  02gf74 [ Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:46 pm ]
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for those people that have bought these, any good?

Any problems with the clamspl breaking or not being secure?

Serioulsy thinking of getting some, just coz they are so cheap ..... (doubt they be a good as my own lamps but can't resist cheapness .... :twisted: )

it states: working voltage is wide and can utilize the batteries in the largest extent.

Sounds like they have a driver inside; anyone tried using a larger voltage? Go on, some one try it, worst case you destroy a £ 1.50 lamp but if it works, and I expect it should, then you could do away with the piddly AAAA batteries and use a LiPo.

I suppose someone could ask the seller about this.

Author:  IDB1 [ Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:54 pm ]
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The sellers are just resellers and probably don't have much tech info on the lamps..

There are numerous reports in this thread with individual opinions on performance of the lights, have a scan through..

I'm going to try running mine a little hot and see what gives.. just need to source a couple of batteries that'll fit in the space..

The lights are available for around £1.50... but don't forget the postage.

They are, however, available including postage for under a fiver.

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:10 pm ]
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well i'm running 2x CR2 batteries in mine and they run really well. a friend of mine is going to machine a shim for me so they should fit perfectly :)

Author:  hamster [ Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:55 am ]
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I took one apart and there is a small driver PCB inside - I was surprised, as I expected that at this price it would drive the LED directly. I can't see exactly what it has on it as the PCB is even epoxy potted, which is a good sign for reliability.

Just the emitters and reflector assembly are a good deal and have plenty of potential if you were to chop them up and fit a separate battery pack.

Author:  Pogo [ Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:41 am ]
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I got three and a half hours run time out of my light last night, there was plenty of juice left but decided to turn it off to prevent a full discharge of the battery pack.

3.5 hours is very good, especially with new batteries that have yet to reach their maximum capacity. Very impressed so far. :D

Author:  KevD [ Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:56 pm ]
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We did Gisburn Forest last night using these lights.

I had used 2 last week, and by the end of the ride those were fading (2 hours each week)

However 2 on the front is easy good enough for fire roads at decent speed, but there isnt the spread to not slow down quite a bit on downhill single track. Bear in mind it was rainy and foggy last night too, not clear and moonlit - so was quite impressed to be honest, for such cheap lights.

I have ordered some of the 900 lumens lights @ £50 each from Deal Extreme (3 sets) for our little night riding group to use. That plus one of these little ones should give us what we need. Link is also posted in this thread.

Author:  BobCatMax [ Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:58 pm ]
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just ordered another 3 of these puppies. another one for me, one for the missus and one for my mum.

ordering some 1100Mah batteries to compliment

Author:  Mogsman [ Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:05 pm ]
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I had my two front lights today. For what they cost you can't go wrong. The're well made and the holders seem to do the job well. I'm happy enough with them.
Ian

Author:  Scarfacexxx08 [ Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:10 pm ]
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I'm not sure i'd use them as a main light off-road more like a head torch or main light on the road. So for the money great!

Author:  s_zigmond [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:17 pm ]
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My front one has just died on me :-(

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:21 pm ]
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s_zigmond wrote:
My front one has just died on me :-(
If the LED has blown and you can't replace it yourself.. contact the seller..

See what they say ;)

Author:  toons [ Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:33 am ]
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s_zigmond wrote:
My front one has just died on me :-(

How long did it last, day, week, month?

Author:  ratbane [ Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:04 pm ]
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Just bought 4. Let's see how they perform over the winter.

Author:  BobCatMax [ Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:51 pm ]
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my three extras turned up today. Shame i only get to keep one, but a happy mrs and a happy mum is gooood.

much quicker turn around this time, only took a week instead of three

Author:  Pogo [ Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:05 am ]
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Rode a section of the Marin Trail tonight,
coped well enough to make me want to do the whole circuit next week :)

Author:  djoptix [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:21 am ]
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Got two sets in the post yesterday. For £12 all in, not bad. I don't think that the fronts would stand up to repeated off-road use but I'm happy to be proved wrong. But for winter commuting I think they're a good buy. Defnitely better than what you get in Tesco/LBS for the same money.

Author:  toons [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:34 am ]
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I got one as well, the front makes a great torch.

Author:  s_zigmond [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:47 am ]
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They are sending me a new one out FOC :D

Author:  IDB1 [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:03 am ]
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s_zigmond wrote:
They are sending me a new one out FOC :D


Good news indeed.. I'm yet to have a bad experience dealing with the Far East 8)

Author:  s_zigmond [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:11 am ]
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IDB1 wrote:
s_zigmond wrote:
They are sending me a new one out FOC :D


Good news indeed.. I'm yet to have a bad experience dealing with the Far East 8)


Likewise

Author:  cornholio's RC200 [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:16 am ]
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Mine have already been through three weeks of commuting use; they've been great for that. Got two on the front and they make for a great beam if you aim one slightly higher than the other.

In fact, drivers aren't taking too kindly to my new illumination even though I have aimed them downwards. Means that they can't pull out on me because they think it is something bigger coming down the road at them :lol:

Author:  legrandefromage [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:52 am ]
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cornholio's RC200 wrote:
Mine have already been through three weeks of commuting use; they've been great for that. Got two on the front and they make for a great beam if you aim one slightly higher than the other.

In fact, drivers aren't taking too kindly to my new illumination even though I have aimed them downwards. Means that they can't pull out on me because they think it is something bigger coming down the road at them :lol:


Anything that gets you noticed at night has to be a good thing.

Author:  cornholio's RC200 [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:58 am ]
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legrandefromage wrote:
cornholio's RC200 wrote:
Mine have already been through three weeks of commuting use; they've been great for that. Got two on the front and they make for a great beam if you aim one slightly higher than the other.

In fact, drivers aren't taking too kindly to my new illumination even though I have aimed them downwards. Means that they can't pull out on me because they think it is something bigger coming down the road at them :lol:


Anything that gets you noticed at night has to be a good thing.


Yes indeed. Top bombing!

Author:  the great roberto [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:12 pm ]
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Forget the price but i wonder what this would be like helmet mounted ?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1800-Lumens-Led-F ... 230ad88c9a

Author:  Lysander [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:51 pm ]
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I'd say like a Dalek.

Author:  kaiser [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:23 pm ]
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Anyone mounted the lights on oversize bars yet?

Author:  Enid_Puceflange [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:26 pm ]
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kaiser wrote:
Anyone mounted the lights on oversize bars yet?


Yeah,

I cut a strip off an old knackered innertube to make up the diameter difference that the supplied rubber shims dont :wink:

G

Author:  kaiser [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:33 pm ]
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Enid_Puceflange wrote:
kaiser wrote:
Anyone mounted the lights on oversize bars yet?


Yeah,

I cut a strip off an old knackered innertube to make up the diameter difference that the supplied rubber shims dont :wink:

G


nice one bud :D

Author:  IDB1 [ Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:43 pm ]
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Has anyone tried these without the reflector fitted?

Sitting messing about last night, unscrewed the end cap, removed reflector and tried the light without..
A massive circle of clean light, brighter than before (well, that's how it looked to me ;) )

Tried it in the garden but there's too much light pollution here..

Anyone care to give it a go in the dark??

Author:  magicmistertea [ Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:13 pm ]
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just joined the gang and ordered 2 ets of gold ones... 8)
im sure they will be good reading the reviews on this thread..

Author:  KevD [ Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:54 am ]
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kaiser wrote:
Anyone mounted the lights on oversize bars yet?

Yeah, wasn't a problem, they come with 1 thick and 1 thin rubber. I need both on mine, my mates modern trail bike just used the thin

Author:  silverclaws [ Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:56 pm ]
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Maybe it is sad for British business that we are forced to seek bargains overseas, but that is the way of business, sad, but times change and with that undoubtedly the economic power centres.

If China stands to become an economic power, then good for them, for they are working hard at it, and with hope some of the most poorest of Chinese citizens might at some point be able to rise out of extreme poverty via providing the decadent west with what it desires so much at the cheapest price.

Chinese products, what I have bought from them I am very impressed with, ( I drive a Chinese mortorcycle ), and their attitude to customer service is second to none, something which I do find amiss sometimes with buying locally, where I have even detected an arrogance on behalf of the seller which has made me turn around and walk away.

But lights, I will be purchasing a couple of these when funds recover, red bezel to go with my red theme as a replacement for my lovely LedLenser Aviator, which is fantastic as a light, but it's not waterproof and that is a problem, as using it, I am wrecking it.

Although I do hope it does not happen, these Chinese lights are of a price that if they are left on the cycle, should they get stolen, it is not so hard on the pocket. The rear light I will always remove and pocket, for it is my faithfull eight year old transparent cateye single LED that takes expensive photo batteries.

My journey to college is through woods and down dark bridleways as well as road, about half and half, these lights, two of them one dipped near and one thrown out a bit further should do the job nicely.

Well done to the Chinese and well done to LGF for bringing this to me.

Oh, as regards to light brackets, I use the following ;

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-MOUNTAIN-BIKE-TORCH-LIGHT-MOUNT-HOLDER-CREE-MTE-LED-/150506691853?pt=UK_SportsLeisure_Cycling_Bike_Lights&hash=item230ae5dd0d

Three years now and it is still doing it's job, but as a safety feature, I loop my torch hand strap around the bars. But as a more secure function, and I have experimented, a self tapping screw through either side of the torch holder tightens things up a bit.

Author:  kaiser [ Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:43 pm ]
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Got my two light the other day, mount is good for oversize bars and cramped cockpits at that. Fitted them to the CX bike which has CX levers, anyway managed to fit a pair on quite neatly. Will be commuting on monday so will see how they fare.

Author:  kaiser [ Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:44 pm ]
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Kev Duckworth wrote:
kaiser wrote:
Anyone mounted the lights on oversize bars yet?

Yeah, wasn't a problem, they come with 1 thick and 1 thin rubber. I need both on mine, my mates modern trail bike just used the thin



Yes used the thin rubber on mine.

Author:  type49 [ Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:22 pm ]
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Just ordered myself one as well. Also, whilst tramping round the shops today with the wife, had a good look round the prices for rechargable AAAs. Found the best "high street" deal was Boots. They are doing a 4 pack Duracell rechargable AAA 1000mHa for £5 but with a 3-for-2 deal, that means 12 AAAs for a tenner :D Their pricing is very odd though, coz they were also selling Duracell 800 mHa 4 pack for noticably more :?

Unless they got their prices all a muddle, in which case, get down to Camberley, Surrey QUICK!!

Author:  silverclaws [ Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:03 pm ]
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What's the current arrival time then for postage from China?

The reason I ask, is I am waiting for my first, been a week now.

Author:  Agency_Scum [ Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:01 am ]
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Cheers type49, I'm off to Boots!!

Author:  hamster [ Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:31 am ]
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I had one pair within 3 days or so, the next pair took around a fortnight.

Author:  Carge [ Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:04 pm ]
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Ordered/won mine on the 27th Oct - still waiting for them to arrive but not sweating it yet.
Maplin have some Extra-High Capacity NiMH Rechargeable Battery Value Packs
12 Packs of 1000mAh for £9.99 - anyone used em - any good?

On a separate topic - I found my old BLT lights in the shed at the weekend. Connected them up to a variable poswer supply and the bulbs are still working - but the battery is kaputt. I'm thinking that I might try them with an RC car battery - 7.2 volts but I have a bud who can tame that a little.

Be nice to get the BLTs running again!

Author:  WD Pro [ Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:29 pm ]
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type49 wrote:
Just ordered myself one as well. Also, whilst tramping round the shops today with the wife, had a good look round the prices for rechargable AAAs. Found the best "high street" deal was Boots. They are doing a 4 pack Duracell rechargable AAA 1000mHa for £5 but with a 3-for-2 deal, that means 12 AAAs for a tenner :D Their pricing is very odd though, coz they were also selling Duracell 800 mHa 4 pack for noticably more :?

Unless they got their prices all a muddle, in which case, get down to Camberley, Surrey QUICK!!


Good spot 8)

Went to boots after work, found the batteries (why are they so much cheaper than other types and energisers ? :?)

Three packs on the three for two offer 8)

Got to the till, spotted the boots point card advert - hmmm got one of those, handed it over "do you want to pay with your points ?" didn't think I had enough "you've got £12.97's worth" :lol:

Free batteries for me then 8)

WD :D

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:38 pm ]
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I have been using one for commuting and have found the lens gathers condensation on the inside which diminishes the light output. Also one light is not quite enough for the unlit roads and canal towpaths, I just cannot see those poo's in time :lol:
So I have bought another two.

Author:  silverclaws [ Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:36 am ]
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Oh you have poo on the trails do you, down here we seem not to, as dog owners bag their poo and sling it in trees to decay. I once did a photo exercise on this habit and sent it to the local rag, lots of nice scenic pictures marred by plastic bags of poo dangling out of tree branches in bushes and hanging off wire fences.

Author:  Dr S [ Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:50 am ]
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Yup, we have that too. Looks great now that the trees are loosing their leaves. Counted seven bags on one Hawthorn tree on Sunday.

Author:  IDB1 [ Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:30 am ]
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silverclaws wrote:
dog owners bag their poo and sling it in trees to decay.


Odd that people would collect something that is bio-degradable (but nasty), encapsulate it in something that isn't (biodegradable) and then leave it out there to (not) decompose..

Never understood the behaviour myself.

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:39 pm ]
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silverclaws wrote:
Oh you have poo on the trails do you, down here we seem not to, as dog owners bag their poo and sling it in trees to decay. I once did a photo exercise on this habit and sent it to the local rag, lots of nice scenic pictures marred by plastic bags of poo dangling out of tree branches in bushes and hanging off wire fences.


The local scum here are far too considerate for that, they simply leave it right in the middle of the path so it can be cleared naturally by passing walkers and cyclists. They have even kindly exercised my brain as a part of it has built up a map of poo locations on my commute route. It has become quite tricky over the last few weeks as the poos have gone into stealth mode, spread by heavy rain and mixed with wet leaves. They have really outdone themselves.

Author:  silverclaws [ Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:54 pm ]
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I did one drunken night, myself and my ex go and put little danish flags in the piles of poo down a road in Denmark, perhaps someone ought to do the same with poo here, put little lights on the piles so people know where it is.

Author:  IDB1 [ Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:21 pm ]
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Pet food manufacturers should put a glow-in-the-dark additive into the death biscuit..

Glow-poo.....

It'd work.. you know it would.

Author:  WD Pro [ Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:51 pm ]
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If anyone has still got the panacronic batteries in - remove them now !

I have just taken mine out and 1 in 3 of them is bubbling badly and on the verge of leaking :-(

WD :D

Author:  jimo746 [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:14 am ]
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Just ordered 2 of the gold lights myself, at that price it would be rude not to.
Even if they see me through this winter they will have been worthwhile.

Author:  carter711 [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:11 am ]
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I've just ordered 2 of these light for £11.20 all in, I think it'd be rude not to!

Author:  jimo746 [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:32 pm ]
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How many AAA does each light take? I seem to think it's 3??? (2 for the rear)
I'll need to buy some rechargable batteries for 2 x front lights and 1 rear LED.

Author:  Lysander [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:41 pm ]
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Three AAA for the front, two for the rear.............get a dozen!!

Author:  BerthaPog [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:23 pm ]
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Quote:
lots of nice scenic pictures marred by plastic bags of poo dangling out of tree branches in bushes and hanging off wire fences.


I've wondered about this - who the heck do they think is going to come and collect them - the poo fairies?

Maybe they're the same people who think printer fairies replace the toner and order paper for the printers at work.

Back on topic...running the Maplin 1000mha in both of mine - seem to get over two hours of use - one on the bike and one on the helmet absolutely fine for road riding. Use a magicshine for off-road. Clip of one of the free back lights snapped on mine with very little provocation.

Author:  kaiser [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:20 pm ]
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Couple of outings for mine, all good. Not brilliant in the flood department for unlit roads but still can't complain :D Not sure if I've mentioned it either but the clamps are pretty good for CX bars with CX levers, can be cramped but they are quite svelte and unobtrusive.

Author:  IDB1 [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:46 pm ]
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kaiser.. not tried mine without too much light pollution to see any benefit but, in the confines of a dark room, the flood is better with the reflector removed...

Might be worth an experiment. . .

Author:  kaiser [ Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:50 pm ]
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IDB1 wrote:
kaiser.. not tried mine without too much light pollution to see any benefit but, in the confines of a dark room, the flood is better with the reflector removed...

Might be worth an experiment. . .


will give it a go 8)

Author:  D_XZ [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:28 pm ]
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I got a couple of these to use as a helmet/beam light but to be honest it was a bit weedy and didn't show up against even the peripheral throw of my main bar light.

So...I upgraded the LED for a 240 lumen Cree XR-E from here:

http://www.ledrise.com/p495/cree-r2-white/

Delivered via TNT 2 days after ordering - parcel said it originated from Bucharest!

Needed to clip a tiny bit off the corners as the star is a slightly different shape to the old one, then 5 mins to de-solder old and solder in with the new. Just unscrew the lens housing and it's two wires on the front surface and the star is not bonded in or anything - couldn't be easier 8)

I don't know if it gets the full 240 lumens now but it's significantly brighter than it was before. Should be pretty good as a helmet beam light once I figure out the best way to mount it.

I also tried one with a seoul p4 LED but it wouldn't fit into the lens without widening the base of the reflector cone. Either this, or the 120 degree viewing angle of the LED has totally ruins the focus of the beam and results in a ring with a dark spot in the middle and is far less bright than the Cree.

No idea how long the batteries will last, but I have an extra battery holder from the P4 experiment to take loaded up as a fast swap spare.

Author:  BerthaPog [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:49 pm ]
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I've popped mine on my helmet using one of these:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180498094782&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_5254wt_907

Have to hope that helmet holes line up OK - mines were on a Specialized Vice...Only used it like that on road, with another of the lights on the bars.

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:11 pm ]
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anybody tried anything with the lens on these to spread it a bit more?

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:41 am ]
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D_XZ wrote:
I got a couple of these to use as a helmet/beam light but to be honest it was a bit weedy and didn't show up against even the peripheral throw of my main bar light.

So...I upgraded the LED for a 240 lumen Cree XR-E from here:

http://www.ledrise.com/p495/cree-r2-white/

Delivered via TNT 2 days after ordering - parcel said it originated from Bucharest!

Needed to clip a tiny bit off the corners as the star is a slightly different shape to the old one, then 5 mins to de-solder old and solder in with the new. Just unscrew the lens housing and it's two wires on the front surface and the star is not bonded in or anything - couldn't be easier 8)

I don't know if it gets the full 240 lumens now but it's significantly brighter than it was before. Should be pretty good as a helmet beam light once I figure out the best way to mount it.

I also tried one with a seoul p4 LED but it wouldn't fit into the lens without widening the base of the reflector cone. Either this, or the 120 degree viewing angle of the LED has totally ruins the focus of the beam and results in a ring with a dark spot in the middle and is far less bright than the Cree.

No idea how long the batteries will last, but I have an extra battery holder from the P4 experiment to take loaded up as a fast swap spare.


Is it much brighter? Aren't they supposed to be 270lumen as they come from HK?

Author:  D_XZ [ Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:46 am ]
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Easy_Rider wrote:

Is it much brighter? Aren't they supposed to be 270lumen as they come from HK?


Well, according to the ebay ad "Output bright can come to above 270 lumens"

Note the use of "can" as mine was nowhere near that. Maybe it varies as I'm sure the two I had were not quite equal even before I did anything.

As a comparison it was somewhere between the 1st and 2nd setting of a Hope Vision One but with a wider spot and peripheral circle. A Vision One is supposed to be 240 lumens on it's highest (4th) setting.

Since my modification I've only checked it against the Hope indoors so I'll have to compare throw distance at the weekend, but just against the wall it now appears somewhere between Hopes 3rd and 4th setting. It still has a bigger spot and much wider peripheral circle (the Hope seems to be known for having a narrow beam)

The beam spot does have a slight crescent shadow on one side, i believe because the new LED protrudes further into the reflector and is not quite dead centre. Probably because I wasn't too anal about evenness when clipping down the LED star board. If I'd taken to time to file the star evenly I guess it wouldn't be there. It's not a big deal and the wider peripheral circle is totally smooth while the hope has a couple of rings.

Weight with 3 Duracell 1000mah rechargeable batteries is 106g on my kitchen scales - half the weight of the Hope so I reckon it's going to be easily light enough for helmet use.

As I said, I do need to compare to the Hope outside but it's certainly got a longer throw than it had before. It's now visible when I have my bar lights on while before it just drowned.

Author:  Carge [ Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:10 pm ]
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Mine arrived a few days back and one is certainly down on performance from the other and arguably not as bright as I had hoped.

So I was going to order two new chips as per D_XZ from LEDRise.

Chips are - well- cheap as chips (£5) - but the postage is £13 for two chips.

Is anyone else interested in ordering some of these and splitting the postage costs?

@ D_XZ - which shipping option did you use please?

Author:  Pogo [ Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:55 pm ]
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I'd be up for a couple of chips if you are getting an order together. :)

Author:  D_XZ [ Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:37 pm ]
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I used the express for 12:55 euros. Was ok for me as I had a few things to buy. Still, even if you ordered a single LED on it's own it would make the whole light around £20 in total.

Took mine out as a helmet light on Saturday but had to turn it off after 20 mins as it was lighting up the falling snow right in front of my eyes and I couldn't see!

Final comparison to Hope V1: It has very slightly less throw but a wider beam. I prefer it and will prob sell the Hope.

I don't think I'll use it as a helmet light though. I have a Trout Lumen Liberator3 and while the spot of the torch did show up against the Trout it didn't really add anything useful. But that Troutlight is pretty incredible and now I've tried it off road I think I'd prefer a more floody helmet light just to clear the shadows cast by the Trout and do away with the idea of a long distance spot.

The cheap lights are going to be used for commuting - took the reflector out of the Soul one and got a short range, very even and wide circle. I aimed it down and use the Cree one for more distance vision. Worked well today.

Author:  Carge [ Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:53 pm ]
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Thanks D_XZ

Anyone else interested in sharing the cost of shipping a few in, and posting onto you.

Me x2
Pogo x2

Not for profit - just a share of the shipping cost.

Author:  Pogo [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:58 am ]
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PM sent Carge 8)

Author:  Carge [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:24 pm ]
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Anyone else interested in the replacement LEDs?
I'm going to place the order in the morning......

Author:  Piers [ Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:22 pm ]
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Just a thought on the poo flags comment.
I found Ajax or Vim to be really good at marking the piles of dog toffee in my back lane.
Dogs hate the smell, owners see what they are doing to my neighbourhood, it is disinfected (a bit) and we can see what we are treading in (unless it's been snowing;).

It seems to cut down on the problem.

I'll be patenting "faekiphos" (makes it glow in the dark) and "lumi-poo-pearls" (retroreflective granules) when I can be bothered :D

Author:  silverclaws [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:57 pm ]
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I got my first China light set, am pretty impressed really, certainly worth the money, but the wait was a bit long, a full 24 days for them to turn up. They were posted two days after my order, so 22 days in transit. That is the only problem with ordering from China, the time of delivery, although I had stuff arrive within ten days before this little exercise. I suppose it would be worth checking out what priority the postage is before ordering.

But as to upgrading LED lights here is an interesting article on the subject;

http://www.myra-simon.com/bike/tips.html

Author:  marin man [ Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:22 am ]
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I bought some and they were here in 8 days...look pretty good to but will buy some barreries tommorrow and give them a test 8)

Author:  yagamuffin [ Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:19 pm ]
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Very cheap, very quick shipping, but...

The rear light has a soft switch which wears out after a few times being switched on/off and now requires a couple of minutes pushing and prodding to get it to switch on.

If used as a constant light the batteries dies quickly, when flashing they last a lot longer.

I managed to snap the bracket on the rear light when trying to remove the light :(

Overall I would say you get what you pay for and for a couple of quid I really can't complain.

Author:  marin man [ Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:20 pm ]
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I only bought them for the front light which seems pretty well made 8)

Author:  silverclaws [ Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:26 pm ]
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Myself the same, as I am happy with my old cateye rear. The rear led that came with the headlight, I have given it away as for some reason, the five year old upstairs just likes staring at flashing red lights.

Author:  marin man [ Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:44 pm ]
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I think that five year old has a problem developing.... :lol: :lol:

I have a clip in rear saddle light for my fizik gobi so did not need the rear light anyway.....chucked it in the bin when it broke while trying to take the back off :oops:

Author:  Agency_Scum [ Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:55 pm ]
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Let's face it, that rear's a Brucie Bonus and nowt else. I use them as give-away spares for club riders who forget to bring get-me-home lights.

Author:  silverclaws [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:12 am ]
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marin man wrote:
I think that five year old has a problem developing.... :lol: :lol:

I have a clip in rear saddle light for my fizik gobi so did not need the rear light anyway.....chucked it in the bin when it broke while trying to take the back off :oops:


well being glazed over staring at them has got to be better than his ole man, he is usually running from flashing lights.

Author:  marin man [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:35 pm ]
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :shock: you have found your sense of humour silverclaws :lol: :lol:

Author:  daveaasmith [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:34 pm ]
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Not sure I see any point buying from HK anymore, when there's the likes if this for £30 over here:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0505056111

It's on a PAR with my Hope Vision 4 for illumination.

It lasted 8 hours on full!

Dave.

Author:  yagamuffin [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:59 pm ]
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daveaasmith wrote:
Not sure I see any point buying from HK anymore, when there's the likes if this for £30 over here:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0505056111

It's on a PAR with my Hope Vision 4 for illumination.

It lasted 8 hours on full!

Dave.


The price? I got three of these from HK delivered for under a tenner. That one is £30 on its own.

Author:  daveaasmith [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:07 pm ]
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yagamuffin wrote:
The price? I got three of these from HK delivered for under a tenner. That one is £30 on its own.


Three torches, chargers, mounts, pair of 18650 batteries - ALL that including delivery for less than a tenner?

Pictures or it never happened?!!

If that really is true, where do I sign up?!!??

Author:  yagamuffin [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:39 pm ]
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daveaasmith wrote:
yagamuffin wrote:
The price? I got three of these from HK delivered for under a tenner. That one is £30 on its own.


Three torches, chargers, mounts, pair of 18650 batteries - ALL that including delivery for less than a tenner?

Pictures or it never happened?!!

If that really is true, where do I sign up?!!??


:oops: Well, 3 sets of lights with some Panasonic batteries. :oops:

Author:  Lysander [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:43 pm ]
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Weren't the batteries Pennisonic or some such lookey-likey branding?? :P

But aye, even adding the price of batteries and charger (though I'd say most folk have them already), still less than thirty earth pounds.............

Author:  jimo746 [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:49 pm ]
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The delivery time? I paid for mine on 15th November, still not arrived yet :-(

Author:  type49 [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:12 pm ]
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I ordered mine on th 7th Nov & still not got them :shock: :(
On the plus side, just got a full refund & guy was very appoligetic, so cant complain, I pressume they just got lost in the post.

They might still turn up........

Author:  8690q [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:56 pm ]
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I was giving up hope of seeing the last set I bought. Over a month.

They are coming from the other side of the world though so didn't bother me too much.

I got this at the same time and It's brighter than the lights for a couple of £ more.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWAX:IT

Author:  kase1983 [ Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:34 am ]
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i bought 2 bundles ( 4 in each ) and they came in 5 days!!

got another 4 on order for mates so hope they turn up.

Author:  silverclaws [ Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:48 pm ]
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I am doubly impressed with mine now, since I put new batteries in, the ones I origially put in were raids from various AAA powered devices around the house. But I want another, just to balance up my bars a bit, but in the meantime, I have the Ledlenser Aviator there which is brighter, but has more of a flood beam, better for directly in front of the wheel. I don't really want to use the aviator,as it is not waterproof, but it will have to do for now, as it is, it is wrapped in cling film to keep the elements out.

The bargain China lights are just excellent, and what a price for such performance !

But a question about fitment, over bars or under bars, which is the preferred option?

Author:  Lysander [ Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:22 pm ]
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I'm an overbar kind of guy, mysel.............

Have to say ye cannae fualt these lights- even if ye are going to change the batteries and LED unit, they're still good value for the casing alone.......
Anybody yet tried to seal the front lens bit yet? I've been wondering about PTFE tape or even just epoxy to seal them solid, add an O-ring below where the lens/reflecor cone screws onto the barrel.

Author:  marin man [ Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:35 pm ]
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Just dont go out on the rain lysander....prob.sold :wink: :lol:

Under the bar as they dont look so .......erm........obvious :?

Author:  magicmistertea [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:07 pm ]
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over the bars....
just because marin man has them under the bars.... i dont want to be the same as him !! :lol: :lol:

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Author:  marin man [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:11 pm ]
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You tart :lol: :lol:

Author:  magicmistertea [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:16 pm ]
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marin man wrote:
You tart :lol: :lol:


:lol:

Author:  Carge [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:09 pm ]
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Hats off to D_XZ :D

My uprated CREE LEDs arrived and I've fitted one of them - SIGNIFICANTLY brighter :idea: than the original.

Will do the second one tonight - just filed each corner with an emery board - fitted a treat!

Pogo - yours are on the way sir!

Author:  Pogo [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:28 pm ]
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Ta muchly Jamie 8)

Author:  Enid_Puceflange [ Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:38 pm ]
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magicmistertea wrote:
over the bars....
just because marin man has them under the bars.... i dont want to be the same as him !! :lol: :lol:


I have mine fitted over the bars, but have my brackets the other way round, bringing the light closer into the bar reducing the leverage it has and reducing any vibration/movement :wink:

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Author:  silverclaws [ Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:23 am ]
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magicmistertea wrote:
over the bars....
just because marin man has them under the bars.... i dont want to be the same as him !! :lol: :lol:


You got snow !

Where's ours ?

Author:  Carge [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:44 pm ]
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Enid_Puceflange wrote:
.... but have my brackets the other way round, bringing the light closer into the bar reducing the leverage it has and reducing any vibration/movement :wink:


I like your thinking - will have to try that.

@Pogo - did the LEDs turn up?

Author:  Enid_Puceflange [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:33 pm ]
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Shat picture , but you get the idea :wink:

Wish I ordered 2 now !
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Author:  kase1983 [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:01 pm ]
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my second batch have arrived, 7 days in total, not to bad! :D

Author:  Pogo [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:20 pm ]
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Carge wrote:

@Pogo - did the LEDs turn up?


Not yet Jamie, must be the Christmas post 8)

Author:  Pogo [ Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:02 pm ]
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Carge wrote:

@Pogo - did the LEDs turn up?


Hi Jamie, just to let you know the LED's arrived today.
I've fitted one of them tonight and can see a marked improvement.
Going to run it and see how my soldering holds out and also see how much more drain there is compared to the OEM one, before fitting the second.

Thanks for sorting me out with 'em-
deffo a worthwhile upgrade IMO. :D

Author:  BobCatMax [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:24 am ]
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what's the battery life like with the uprated led?

Author:  Carge [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:25 am ]
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I haven't run a set of batteries all the way down - but I will today.
I'll get back to you.

Light turned on with fully charged batteries at 09:40........

Author:  Carge [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:42 am ]
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1 hour in - still bright and virtually no heat either

Author:  Carge [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:28 pm ]
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Pretty much done by 90minutes....

Will rerun with other torch and another set of batteries, currently on the charger.

For reference, I'm using Maplin 1000mAh rechargables.

Author:  BobCatMax [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:02 pm ]
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not too shabby then.

thanks very much for that Carge Image

Author:  Carge [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:59 pm ]
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Another set of batteries have been fully charged.

Second test started 19:00.......

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:31 pm ]
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Aren't rechargable batteries only 1.2v? So you would see an immediate increase just by using standard batteries as they are 1.5v

Author:  Carge [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:23 pm ]
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About 80 minutes in ....
Noticably dimmer than when we started

Yes - rechargeables are only 1.2V - and I'm no expert - but 1.5V would only make them brighter - not last any longer.
A higher mAh rating makes them last longer - or so I thought.

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:34 pm ]
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Yeah that's what I meant, an increase in brightness, ive not done a continious run test but ive had the same batteries running one of the lights for a couple of months now on my morning commutes (not on flash mode)
As you say, a mah rating means more juice.

Author:  Carge [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:44 pm ]
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Yeah - pretty much done by 90 minutes.

As the battery gets low - there isn't enough juice to get anything in flash mode - although the permanent mode still gives some light.

@ Easy_Rider
How long is your commute?

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:52 pm ]
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Its only about 15minutes each way.

Author:  JamesM [ Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:44 pm ]
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Standard batteries are only 1.5v when brand new (fully charged). Their voltage drops away as the run out. They actually drop to below the voltage of a NIMH pretty quickly. Decent NIMH batteries usually output around 1.2v to 1.3v and maintain that output for most of the duration of their charge.

Author:  jamabikes [ Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:54 am ]
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8690q wrote:
I was giving up hope of seeing the last set I bought. Over a month.

They are coming from the other side of the world though so didn't bother me too much.

I got this at the same time and It's brighter than the lights for a couple of £ more.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWAX:IT


just got my head torch today :D

very very pleased for a couple of quid! fits on the skid lid nicely. got a nice half power and flashing mode too.

Author:  mountainloz [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:10 am ]
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mine are working and looking great :)
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Author:  jimo746 [ Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:19 pm ]
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Finally got lights in the post today! about bloody time! and have to say I'm pleasantly surprised with them, for what I paid I really can't complain
But I did complain, to the seller at the start of January when I said that my items had not yet arrived..."no problem, we will re-send the order" :D
Thing is, this looks like the 1st order :shock: so I guess I have another identical order still on its way to me :shock:
I guess I should really inform the seller if/when the 2nd lot turn up, but I doubt they'll want them sending all the way back to Hong Kong? :?

Author:  Scougar [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:52 pm ]
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Ordered two for £11.20

I was umming an erring over whether to fork out for a magicshine (I'm aware of the possible issues with them), or try looking for something else cheaper. Bottom line is I was after something cheap, and I'm willing to give these a go :-)

Definately interested in the LED upgrade some of you guys have done though!

I also wish there was a way to add alternative (i.e. bigger capacity) batteries, or have a remote battery pack for these! (Has anyone done it?)

Author:  Carge [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:58 pm ]
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The LED upgrade was very easy - and I think gives much more output.

The corners of the new LED board just needed a very small amount of filing to allow them to fit - but easy with just an emery board.

Author:  Scougar [ Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:06 am ]
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Has anyone considered (or tried) an alternative battery, or an external battery?

Author:  Carge [ Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:08 am ]
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Considered - YES
Tried - NO

I carry another 6 AAA as spares just in case.

Author:  Scougar [ Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:02 am ]
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10440 cells are the same size as AAA's (although 3.7v vs 4.5v as I understand it), perhaps they can be wired in parallel?). I wonder if this would give any advantage of NiMh? (3x 1.2v NiMH = 3.6v and 1000mAH capacity vs approx 3x 3.7v li-ion in parallel and about 900-1100mAH capacity).

Still, adpating an external battery pack would be preferred for a handlebar light, but as suggested above for the helmet.

For an external battery pack I was thinking something like this: http://www.batteryspace.com/li-ion18650batterywithwater-proofcoatingrubber37v8800mah3256whtrail-techfemaleplug.aspx

It's 4x 18650's in parallel so only 3.6/3.7v but high capacity (much more than 3x AAA's). I assume the light won't draw more than the battery can handle??

It's just the connection inside the light I'm trying to sort out now (so I can hook up and external power source.

EDIT: Do you guys think that you could safely use 4x 1.2v (NiMH) batteries so that it gives 4.8v to the light? (if you use 3x alkaline you would get 3x 1.5v = 4.5v if it's wired up this way???). I'm asking as I'm thinking of putting a external packing using NiMH batteries instead as I already have a nimh charger for AA batteries (which offer much better capacity).

Author:  Lysander [ Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:44 pm ]
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I thought about different batteries, but stayed with the cheap-and-no-extra-fuss approach- get a dozen rechargeable so there's plenty spares and yer sorted.

Author:  Carge [ Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:23 pm ]
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Agree with Lysander - spending another £40plus for more battery-juice kinda defeats the object.

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:27 pm ]
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Lysander wrote:
I thought about different batteries, but stayed with the cheap-and-no-extra-fuss approach- get a dozen rechargeable so there's plenty spares and yer sorted.


Problem with a std rechargeable is they are 1.2v instead of 1.5v each so even before you set off the voltage has dropped 20% and hence the light output is less. You need decent batteries with a huge increase in amperage to bump up the "Watt" output.
Watts = Volts x Amps.

Author:  8690q [ Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:50 pm ]
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I've just been oot for a bimble with my bargain lights.

The handlebar mounted lights are ok on their own but were pretty useless once i turned my bargain headtorch on. Wow !

For an extra £ or 2 over the handlebar mounted light it is very bright with a great spot and a little flood.

It runs off 3 aaa batteries and it appears to be the same led as the other lights but is so much brighter.

If you're considering trying to upgrade the handlebar lights then I wouldn't bother. Just buy the headtorch as it gives out the kind of light you want.

It runs an external battery pack and seems to be the same led so maybe you could graft something nice out of a headtorch and a handlebar light.

Author:  Carge [ Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:06 am ]
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What sort of runtime are you getting from the headtorch?
And any chance you could repost the link to it please.

Author:  8690q [ Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:34 am ]
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Runtime is about an hour.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWAX:IT

Author:  Scougar [ Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:17 am ]
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It must be a different setup on the LED if it only runs for an hour VS over 3 hours for the same batteries.

I am still suprised there aren't any 3x AA battery head torches though, they have so much better capacity and cost the same as AAA's. BTW some of the head torches come with 1x 18650.

I still want to upgrade the battery pack to either a better internal solution, or as mentioned a 4x AA setup with NiMH giving 4.8v and MUCH better run-time.

Author:  BobCatMax [ Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:20 am ]
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would definitely be interested to see how you get on with this Scougar

Author:  Scougar [ Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:36 am ]
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Never done this sort of thing before, so I guess it would be a case of soldering an old battery cartridge with wire's so I could get a direct feed out the back (or wherever), and put a connector on there to hook up whatever I wished. Can't be 'that' hard.

BTW, just found 3x AA headlights on ebay although it's it's only 260 lumen :-(

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AA-battery-3-mode-CREE-Q5-LED-Head-lamp-Headlight-torch-/170608855454?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b914899e

Will need to confirm it's AA and not AAA though.

UPDATE: Jut ordered this 4x AA battery holder for an experiment. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280626489247&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Would love to lose the extra 0.3v (from 4.8v down to 4.5v for safety), but don't know how to do that?

EDIT: Totally off-topic, but only just found out that with P7 LED's, the current best 'bin' to go for is D-bin. It get's 800-900 lumen where C-bin only get's 700-800 lumen apparently. (Back on topic of waiting for all my little goodies to turn up lol).

and back on topic: Think we could get teh LED and star circuit out of this for £7.83? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ultrafire-CREE-XR-E-R2-5Mde-LED-Spare-Bulb-6p-G2-D2-G2-/220597567182?pt=US_Flashlights&hash=item335ca3bece

Author:  Scougar [ Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:36 am ]
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If anyone wants to go halves on one of those XR-E 7090 LEDs to upgrade there light, I'd be up for it :-) The postage is free is you order two or more it seems (anything above £10 euro's, which two of these are.

Author:  jamabikes [ Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:52 am ]
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might be interested, how much would it work out at?

Author:  Scougar [ Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:58 am ]
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The cost for two leds delivered is £10.58 (so about 5.23 per led) about 50p more if you want two years warranty with them. I might just get two myself anyway as i have money sitting in paypal.

Edit: Also, I know it is cheeky, but if anyone has a broken front light 5w cree that i could buy the casing from them or even just the triple aaa cartridge for me to experiment on, I would really appreciate it.

Author:  hesdownagain [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:13 pm ]
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hello. i know i'm late coming in on this but can you tell me if the link on the first page is still the one you use. it seems the first few pages are talking about oversea's and a different price. i'm looking for some lights to do the ''every now and then dark pedal'' is the opinion still that these lights ''off the shelf with no up-grades'' a good one something you can throw on even over sized handle bars and see where your going. i don't want to spend £70 plus on something i will only be using every now and then. thanks for any info.

Author:  Scougar [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:50 pm ]
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The main (decent) seller it seems is a guy called "go_market" on ebay. So in ebay, just type '5w cree bike' and look for his name in sales (or search for him instead), and order from him.

As standard they last for over 3 hours, although I would recommend getting rechargables. I recommend Sanyo Eneloop batteries, they are excellent and work well in cold weather as well. Only 2000mah, but bear in mind they hold their charge better than other batteries.

BTW... if you look up '17w LED' on ebay you will find a similar light to these one's. I'm tempted to order one to check out if they are actually brighter or not (The batteries will defo not last as long if they are brighter).

Soon as my 5w units turn up, I'll let you know how good they are in the dark as I'm due to start cycling to work (10 miles each way) after not cycling for about 15 years since I was a kid.... and as I live on the moor's it's very dark, so will need them for the roads. Bear in mind spring/summer is coming though and it's gettting lighter everyday.

Author:  hesdownagain [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:15 pm ]
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hi scouger. thanks for the reply these are the one's i'm talking about http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/5w-LED-Mountain-B ... 4cf5127ab6 good luck with your cycling to work, it will be hard work to start with i'm sure. we intend to do some over night camping which will include bikes so a late night pedal will be on the books thats why i'm interested in these lights.

Author:  Scougar [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:17 pm ]
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Should be fine, but can get that same product cheaper from other sellers. Expect the rear light bracket to break, use another bracket if possible.

I bought two sets, just waiting for them to turn up.

Also, as mentioned, a couple of the guys have replaced the original LED with a better one and made it MUCH brighter, but halves battery life to 90 minutes.

Author:  hesdownagain [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:23 pm ]
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ok. not bothered about the rear as it will not be used. i will have a look at other sellers. i don't want to send abroad if i can help it because of the waiting time. cheer's.

Author:  Scougar [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:25 pm ]
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One thing to look out for is that some models appear to offer a 'flashing' mode, whislt other's make no mention of it. If you look for the 7w models or the 17w models, then these seem to mention the flashing option, but don't come with a rear light.

I wish I had these light's already so I could tell you if they would be good for you! I mainly got two, so I could mount one on my helmet.

Author:  hesdownagain [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:39 pm ]
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ok cheer's i have found some a little cheaper, the flashing mode does not bother me as i will not be on the road with them. wy use will be off road. i'm also thinking about two..

Author:  Scougar [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:47 pm ]
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Good for the money I say :-)

Bear in mind (sorry about this lol), that you can get a cree R2 torch with bike mount for a tiny bit more as two of these.

But you'd have to be able to charge 18650 batteries of course....

UPDATE: Still waiting for lights/parts to arrive, but I forgot a colleague was lending me an magicshine P7 to try out, so I will be able to make a comparison IF the lights turn up today lol.

Author:  hesdownagain [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:17 pm ]
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hi. oh well i've done it now ordered two. for the price it's not the end of the world if they don't work out. i will look at the batts you mentioned it seems like a good idea to be able to re-charge . they are going to be good enough for what i will want, i did look at those lights your going to borrow but i won't use them enough to warrent the out lay. good luck with yours let me know what you think,.

Author:  Scougar [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:57 pm ]
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Well, tried out the P7 last night. Whilst it was good (and much smaller than I imagined (a good thing, means it's light)), I think you would in a trail situation want a helmet light as well. In some ways I expected it too be brighter.. but that's because I'm not into torches/bike lights lol.

Anyway.. still waiting for my lights *sigh*, and just found this today for APG/XR-E lights: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110632352901&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

It's an Efficient Synchronous Buck - Boost Led Driver TPS63000 apparently. OK, it's probably a bit much to be paying out to try and upgrade a single light (£14), but I thinking it might allow me to drive the LED's at 1A (1000ma ?). Does anyone know what ampage they are as standard?

Not sure what the driver does really (can anyone explain it, and what it does to battery life?).. but a bonus is that is allows you to run a lot of other brightness mode's and flashing modes with it. Once again.. I suppose I could just have paid out for a better light to start with!

Made a £10 offer for the part (I know.. madness when I need to buy gloves for my bike d'oh).

Author:  hesdownagain [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:10 pm ]
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hi scougar. mine arrived today. talk about service, ordered sunday night got email to say they had sent them yesterday and here they are. all i can say is they are small, light, and the fitting to handle bar is ok. as i said i'm not bothered about the rear one's may just take them along for some light in the tent. cant say about the brightness till it gets dark and that will have to wait untill the week end as i'm working nights. i know that may sound strange but i'm there before it gets dark and my breaks are to short to go out side to play with a torch, any way i want to fit them to the bike and see how they do. good luck with yours..

Author:  Scougar [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:45 pm ]
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Thanks! Went home to pick the wife up for lunch, and they still hadn't arrived. (Neither had my helmet or sanyo eneloop AA's grr).

Lol, accidently offered £10.48 for the buck-boost led driver and they accepted. I should have gone for one that was tuneable, but at least this takes upto 5.5v and can provide 1000ma to the led, plus lots of modes, and battery protection LOL. Now all I need is an uprated LED XR-E R2 and I will be sorted with that being overdriven (I hope) - Getting pricey now though ROFL.

Maybe someone with a Cree XR-E or XPG would appreciate the 1a ability with their torch? d'oh.

Considering this for my connectors: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130449837520&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT


Couple of questions for those that own these lights though:

1) Can someone take FULLY take apart there torch and get some pictures up please?
2) Does anyone know the ampage of the original LED in these?
3) Does anyone know exactly what LED model these are?


EDIT: Slight change of plan. Noticed when I tested the voltage of the eneloop's today that they are 1.33v straight out the packet. I've now seen mention on the web of people saying they go to 1.44v when fully charged! So unless I can regulate the voltage digitally, I will HAVE to use only 3X AA rechargeables instead of the 4 I wanted to for capacity. Sucks a little I suppose. Maybe I can wire 2 sets of 3 in parallel instead? Anyway.. either I hope that the battery holder is useable with only 3 batteries, or I have to order a 3 cell battery holder.

Additionally.. I keep racking my brains trying to get a cheaper cable, and found a good one with a lock for £3.02, but I'm thinking the cable is too short. I now very tempted to raid my extensive cable selection of PC bits and see If I can reuse anything as a power lead and forget for the moment about disconnecting the pack from the light (to keep costs down, and waterproofing)

EDIT 2: Was rummaging through cables last night, and I found a USB extension cable I doubt I'll use again.. so I'll try and use that temporarily :-) (Cutting it in half as such).

EDIT 3: I just ordered an XR-E R2 from deal extreme rather than having to get two from LEDRise. The PCB is slightly different but hopefully still the same chip. Also noticed the corners are rounded so hopefully it will fit better than the LEDRise version, whilst being slightly cheaper :-) http://www.dealextreme.com/p/cree-xr-e-r2-wg-emitter-on-premium-star-15943

Of course, it will likely take about 72 years to get here from DX lol.

Author:  Scougar [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:29 am ]
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Also, I kinda picked up 3 4000mah 5v li-poly packs and 1 2000mah 5v li-poly pack for stupid cheap..... Now I'm just hoping I can use them lol. (Will prob only keep 1 or 2 4000's but tempted to keep a 2000 as well for the really small size).

Anyway.. can anyone please tell me the current of the original LED/driver in these lights please, how many milli amps? Would be really useful to know :-)

Author:  dyna-ti [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:12 am ]
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This 'bargain ebay light' thread has sparked quite an interest.Nice thread to follow 8)
Though i think the bargain lights themselves are proving to be quite user intensive :lol: :lol:

Author:  hesdownagain [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:57 am ]
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hi scouger. can't be of any help. the lights when they arrive are not in any kind of box with instructions or any info on and to be honest i have'nt a clue what your asking i'm a turn them on and if they work, great person. so i can't be of ny help. my lad ordered two when he saw mine working, his had the same speed delivery as mine did.

Author:  IDB1 [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:39 pm ]
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Scougar wrote:
1) Can someone take FULLY take apart there torch and get some pictures up please?
2) Does anyone know the ampage of the original LED in these?
3) Does anyone know exactly what LED model these are?


Pics of the body, reflector, LED, switch an' everything??

I've just dismantled one of mine as far as is possible, there are no markings bar the numbers 2396 on the bottom of the LED 'carrier'.. even prised the LED board out of the aluminium bit to see if there were any details.. and there's not..

Could be worth investing some Google time, find who makes them and ask about the LED spec...

Author:  Scougar [ Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:25 pm ]
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If possible :-) BTW, is any thermal paste used on these torches?

I'll try and do some digging on that LED then :-)

When mine eventually turns up, I'll be prising the board out and replacing the circuit board with the one I mentioned before, and as long as it doesn't take forever to come... replacing the LED with an XR-E R2 :-) Should be pretty damn bright, and make that 4000mah worth it :-)

Will need to look into which two wires on a USB cable carry the power and earth next.

Author:  IDB1 [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:00 am ]
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I took a load of pics, will do some cropping and if they are still viewable I'll post them up tomorrow..

No thermal paste anywhere..

Y'know.. you're going to a heck of a lot of effort when R2 torches are available for not much dollar
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CREE-R2-Q2-LED-15 ... 2311wt_909

Author:  Scougar [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:28 am ]
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lol I know. Kinda snow balled. Already spent over magicshine level lol. I mainly wanted better capacity but then just started doing it for a fun.
Will check pics at work :-)

Looked at that ebay link. The problem is that the capacity on items like the XR-E R2 torches still suck. I don't want a long bodied torch, but they don't seem to do a triple AA torch, or one with a decent capacity Li-on, and I don't have a li-on charger anyway. It all would have added up just to support those torches, and I won't feel as bad modifiying a cheap torch lol.

What I already had to hand was a ni-mh charger for AAA and AA. I will still make up my 3X or 4X AA battery pack, as i want to experiment, and I may end up selling the li-poly packs (Which are actually nice, as they actually have the charger built into them and have a hard plastic casing).

Author:  IDB1 [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:35 am ]
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Scougar wrote:
I mainly wanted better capacity but then just started doing it for a fun..


My downfall on so many occasions :lol:

I started LED modding my own car interiors in the early 90's.. a few people found out, asked me to do stuff for theirs and, before you know it, I'm buying LED's 5,000 at a time direct from the Far East manufacturer :lol:

Just trying to email the pics from my phone to the pc... will try to get them up (if they're any good) asap... otherwise I'll have to find where the kids have put the camera :evil:

Author:  DegsUk [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:16 am ]
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I bought a couple of the red ones , they seem really bright and good in flashing mode too. Ha even got abuse shouted at me by a local chav on how I shouldnt have it flashing it may cause some one to fit !
Well dont bloody look at it was my reply ..(edited) :P

Author:  Scougar [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:37 am ]
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Someone with photo epilepsy is not allowed to drive, so it won't be a problem. I understand what they are saying about the flashing though, but the chancers of someone seeing me clearer and not knocking me off, vs someone having a fit are so remote that it isn't worth worrying about.

Still waiting for mine to turn up grr....

Author:  IDB1 [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:43 pm ]
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Surely they don't flash fast enough for that??

Or is my understanding of the condition off kilter :?

Anyhoo.. (not THAT good) pics..

Switch back and front

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Which screws on to

Body

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Which holds batteries (3 x AAA)

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LED unit (screws into body)

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Reflector holder type thing screws on next

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Then reflector

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And the glass (plastic) with nice ano ring

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Macro mode was faffing about on my phone so I had to take them from a foot away in mahoosive size and crop them afterwards.. :roll:

I will see if I can route out the camera if you need better ones...

Author:  legrandefromage [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:59 pm ]
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I bought one of these:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 774wt_1139

better flood but more expensive to buy

brightness?

absolutely bloody bonkers!!!!!

I compared it with a £450 Exposure Six Pack too...

Author:  WD Pro [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:36 pm ]
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Don't go starting it all again ... :lol:

Author:  The Ken [ Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:58 am ]
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have to admait it is tempting, what is the build quality like LGF?

Author:  Scougar [ Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:56 am ]
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The flashlight/torch linked to on page 30 is only a Q3. Unless it's overdriven there is no way it will be that good in my mind. Shining against a wall is not the same as getting out and using it in the dark and seeing how it lights an area up.

He says the compares the peripheral light against a P7 for goodness sake. Sure if you widen it right up the immediate area may be flooded, but the distance light will suck badly.

Also, it WILL NOT be anywhere near as bright as an R2 that will cost about £3. I do like the ring on the light though, nice touch. I'm happier cutting up a cheap torch to mod. For the money, these 5w ebay lights are great though from what i've read.. just wish I actually had mine here lol.

BTW.. first ride into work today 10 miles straight off the bat eek! Not bad, haven't cycled for about 17 years!

Thanks for the photo's I'll take a good look at them and try to decide where to drill into the casing, and how to rig the battery holder to pass power straight through.

Author:  legrandefromage [ Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:04 pm ]
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The Ken wrote:
have to admait it is tempting, what is the build quality like LGF?


build is better than the original ones but let down as always by the same so-so battery holder etc.

Riding around my village with an Exposure on one side and the cheapy on the other, the cheapy matched the Exposure's lowest setting for brightness but limited by its flood. The Exposure is cheating a bit by using multiple elements and better design/ materials etc etc.


The cheapy can spot light with the beam focused into the projected square shape of the emitter itself! You could probably turn it into a mini projector.

Author:  Scougar [ Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:44 pm ]
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Amazingly, my uber driver turned up today ahead of the lights. Cant believe how tiny it is! Having a new one means i dont have to desolder the original which is cool. Want to see how bright an r2 is at 1000ma :-)

Author:  IDB1 [ Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:10 am ]
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If you get desperate for a test subject, pm me your address and I'll send one of mine..

I have 2, won't use them on a bike and have my uprated Peli M6 LED if I need something with a bit of oomph ;)

Author:  Scougar [ Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:47 am ]
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Contacted the seller about the long time (15 days so far), and he said that there are delays because of increased security in Hong Kong. He estimated 18-24 days now because of it. I read the link on ebay Hong Kong and indeed, it specifically mentions perfume and lithium batteries as problems. Thankfully no batteries have been bought from HK, but EVERY package is getting security checked apparently.

I'm sure it won't be long now till they turn up unless customs decide I need to pay them £8 for the privilege of them checking a package of £3 value lol. Thank you for the offer though :-)

Has anyone measured the amps of the driver for these lights? (I have a multimeter so may be able to do it.

Author:  Scougar [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:03 pm ]
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Have daughter laying on me so will be brief.

XR-E came today from Deal Extreme. Couple of weeks, not bad and good build quality and price. Bike lights STILL not here lol. Getting impatient, so have torn apart my 4000mah li-po battery pack for pics of circuit board lol.

Cant wait to get it all together, just a shame light is coming lol.

Author:  Scougar [ Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:30 pm ]
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Well this is a bit pants. My lights haven't turned up yet, so the seller refunded me for them (There might be a chance they turn up though as HK is having strong security checks at the moment).

Not sure what to do, order some more but from the UK (I need front and rear), or try and reorder from abroad again. If the other's turned up I'd have to pay for those as well (honesty). Hmm...

Might wait a little while longer, not sure. Just annoying to have my decent driver and LED hereand not being able to do anything yet lol.

Author:  Scougar [ Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:57 am ]
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I'm looking to shorten the torch body. Can anyone tell me if they can take out the centre battery section and screw the base directly into the head please? Are the threads the same?

Author:  IDB1 [ Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:55 am ]
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Dude... gimme your address and I'll send you one of these...

Author:  IDB1 [ Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:56 am ]
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And no.. the rear bit is a smaller diameter

Author:  Scougar [ Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:23 pm ]
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Damn, thought that might be the case :-(

PM on way :-)

EDIT: As a side note:since my lights didn't come I've ordered this (again from China lol): http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWAX:IT

£1.98 for what I think is the same rear light as the one that comes with 5W cree, and I'll be using the front light PURELY as a flashing unit as I notice it's 150 hours runtime in that mode. (Be aware the bracket is apparently very easy to break when putting on and is quite small from what I've read).

EDIT2: Thanks to another member I'll be able to do some experiments on these lights now with an external power source. Good if I'm going to run the XR-E R2 in them. I'm hoping it will give me around 6 hours runtime if I use the standard driver and the R2, and probably less driving it at 1000ma with the after market driver.

Author:  cornholio's RC200 [ Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:38 pm ]
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Scougar wrote:
Someone with photo epilepsy is not allowed to drive, so it won't be a problem. I understand what they are saying about the flashing though, but the chancers of someone seeing me clearer and not knocking me off, vs someone having a fit are so remote that it isn't worth worrying about.

Still waiting for mine to turn up grr....


I am photosensitive epileptic (as well as generally anyway) and I'm pretty certain the lights don't strobe enough to bring a seizure on (I have a pair of them but tbf I'm not going to look into a strobe like that just in case - I see the light and avert my eyes as such). I agree that risks are pretty low though as we aren't talking that much intensity in any case but swearing at people (like our other guy apparently did) won't help matters. I just only use normal beam for mine.

Just to bring you up to speed on the law though regarding epileptics and driving. You can drive with almost no restriction as long as you are seizure free for at least a year. The restrictions I have are no HGVs or PSVs (for obvious reasons) and that even when I am seizure free for three years I still have to reapply for a licence because that's how long they last for the majority of epileptics.

I am myself unfortunately on a hiatus from a happening in January (not caused by photosensitivity) but as soon as the year is up I can get a doctor's note and apply for a licence again. I am now on another set of different anticonvulsants so time to start the ball rolling again... Just have to watch out for more of the pesky drivers now :!:

Author:  Scougar [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:43 pm ]
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Thanks to the fab member, I got one of these lights finally. Just experimented, and drilled a 4mm hole in the body and cut up a usb cheap extension cable for external power connection. (I am using 4000mah lipo battery pack, so hopefully 6 hour run time with the R2.)

Installed the XR-E R2 without the 1000ma driver as it seems there is already a driver imbedded in the button.

Will have to try and get that out so I can run the 1000ma driver.

Pictures tomorrow, but be warned, bad soldering and cable ties lol. Just a note: Realised that without the driver installed i have lipo voltage protection so will need to sort that asap!!

Author:  Scougar [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:01 am ]
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Here are some photo's. No bike/helmet mounted shots yet, but will do.

Please bear in mind this is just my first try and is experimental to see if it will even work. Bad soldering and cables ties abound! Also, no night shot's as my sucky phone won't actually work in the dark to take pics. Will get some though. Suffice to say it's pretty damn bright though, and hopefully will be brighter if I can suss out how to remove the original flashing driver.

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Author:  Scougar [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:01 am ]
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And the rest:

NOTE: See pic "ebay 5W Cree 6.JPG". The on/off cap is the only place the LED driver can reside, so I will have to try and pry it out at some point and just make it a button, so I can put the driver next to the led. I jsut wanted to get a Proof of Concept done first :-)

Hoping the light will run about 6 hour's from this pack on full (compared to around 80/90 min's on triple AAA's.

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Author:  IDB1 [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:07 pm ]
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Blimey . . . not hanging about... very cool 8)

Author:  Scougar [ Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:45 pm ]
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Yeah, the light turned up on Friday, and Sunday was the first opportunity I got to have a play, whilst at a BBQ. Borrowed a much to big soldering iron, and did it in the garden on a rock lol.

I had to slightly file down the pointy bits of the XR-E star PCB as it was slightly too big, but fits fine now.

The only issues I see at present are that due to the LED being mounted about 1mm higher than the stock LED, the len's is slightly distorted when trying to tighten down the head. Not too sure What I'm going to do about that yet.. But I'll think of something.. cheap, lol. The other issue is obviously the Driver PCB being built into the original switch.

Incidently, if you do want to change driver.. it's possible it could fit directly behind the LED.

Plans:

1) PTFE seal the anodised lens cap.
2) Silicone seal the lens
3) Possibly rubber grommet and silicone seal the cable entrance
4) Add a small rubber shroud to the USB connector.
5) Think of a mounting solution for helmet (prob rubber/silicone/velcro) (although I have some velcro somewhere).

Author:  Scougar [ Thu May 05, 2011 9:48 am ]
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Well... now I have:

Front:
* 1 X Red ringed ebay light.
* 1 X Silver ringed 'deal extreme' light (Almost the same as the ebay, but slightly worse build quality and missing rubber seal).
* 2 X Gold ringed ebay lights.

Rear:
* 2 X rear ebay lights that came with the ebay lights. Actually very good but don't include a waterseal, so would need something sorting for that... some thick grease perhaps or silicone.

I should also have at some point the 5 led front light coming which I will use purely as a flashing unit for it's 150 hours operation (I hope), and that also comes with the same rear light as the 5W Cree ebay one's , and I will be donating it to a friend who lent me a light.

Additional parts I have:
1 X 4xAA serial battery box
4 X Sanyo Eneloop's. (Excellent batteries and work with my Panasonic quick charger :-) )
The expensive 1000ma constant current LED driver (£10!).
Lots of random wiring and connectors.

Basically.. I will probably trying to re-modify my existing Red Ebay XR-E R2 LED unit and put in the constant current driver, and also try and modify the Silver light to be used with the 4xAA battery pack. I have at my disposal 2 old ebay LEDS that I can burn out so I'm not currently worried about overvolting it. I may also try to shorten the length of the light so it's lighter for helmet mounting, although this will of course mean slightly worse heat dissapation :-(

Author:  Scougar [ Fri May 06, 2011 3:48 pm ]
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Does anyone have a single old 18650 battery I can try please? It can be dead I just need it for sizing. I think if you modified some parts inside this torch you might 'just' be able to squeeze one in. There would likely be a compromise somewhere. Probably not worth it though to be completely honest as better quality torches available for not much more. I'd still like a dead 18650 battery to try though (I don't have a lithium charger so it literally is 'just' for sizing :-))

On a side note... I tried out the constant current driver (the £11 one), using the 4xAA battery pack, the original pathetic 60 lumen led (from the deal extreme light) and cellotape, and it works ok. So I'm gonna try and get something wired up with the XR-E R2 ebay light combo and see if it's any brighter.

EDIT: I also tonight quickly took apart the tail cap. The components in there consist of a switch(button), a pcb for modes, a contact spring and 2 spacers/isolators/retainers. I'll get a picture up tomorrow of those bits. I've got to figure out how I can use the original button with my new smaller pcb.

Author:  Scougar [ Mon May 09, 2011 10:54 am ]
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After a lot of wiring/soldering and tinkering I have managed to make my light less functional that before lol. I've broken the button on the back, so I can't switch modes unless I faff with the power lead to force it to change mode. I will need a new 'two way' button, rather than the original "3-way" button that I had before it seems. I'm not really sure I've actually gained anything worthwhile by adding the expensive constant current driver in either lol. But I will see later when I fix some things.

I did change the reflector around with another one, and it has a better pattern without the dead spot in the middle it hard before. Will update when sorted.

Author:  BobCatMax [ Mon May 09, 2011 2:46 pm ]
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looking forward to all these new pics. Reading your progress is fascinating Scougar :)

Author:  Scougar [ Mon May 09, 2011 2:56 pm ]
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Genuinely just tinkering with the stuff really lol. I'm a noob with electronics even though I did it at school. Was originally using the body to get the 'earth' connection, but I'm now temporarily directly wiring it without a switch at present. I definately need to figure out this swtich business. My soldering is a mess. (mainly from trying to hold bits of wire together in mid air, whilst also holding a soldering iron and solder lol.

I also learnt that leaving your soldering iron turned on with solder on it eat's the 'tip' on the iron away. Hmm.. that'll be that the wet sponge would be for then! (Which I don't have as it's a borrowed iron opps!).

All the bits of wire are very messy now as well, really looking terrible where before it looked relatively neat. I will have to rewire with fresh stuff I think.

Author:  Scougar [ Tue May 10, 2011 10:56 am ]
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Been thinking about this.

These lights are great, but.. don't waste your time modifying as much as I've been doing. Changing the LED to an XR-E R2 significantly improves the brightness of the light and IS worth doing if you are prepared to accept the reduced run-time.

What isn't worth doing is buying a different driver for it. It's much more hassle than it's worth and in reality I was more than happy with the light with just it running an XR-E R2, and an external power source :-)

If it's gonna be used as a torch for bar mounting, I still think you might be able to squeeze in an 18650 battery to get about 2.5 times the run-time and that might be worth doing.

What it really comes down to is this: If you already have DECENT AAA rechargeables then these make sense, as decent 18650's are expensive and you still need to buy the charger etc. If you already have 18650's and charger then don't get these lights, as buying something else (brighter) will work out financially better.

IMHO, don't get these lights for the flashing function, you can get cheaper and better flashing unit's that last longer (as I've linked to in a previous post).

Hope this doesn't sound pessimistic, it isn't meant to lol. I really like these torches :-)

EDIT: I wired up the 4x AA Battery pack tonight as well. Seems to be the same brightness as the XP4001 battery pack even though I have introduced about 1.3V more. Guess the constant current driver is doing it's thing, or I was already at the limit of the XR-E. One thing I did notice is that different lenses really change the spread.

Author:  Scougar [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:23 pm ]
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Ok.. been a while, but I've been faffing again.

I've removed the button mechanism entirely and put the power feed in through this opening, rather than through the bottom. I've used the hole in the bottom to mount a temporary switch. This switch is one I nicked off a non-working graphics card for it's variable speed fan, so in it's two position's it is "ON ON" rather than ON OFF. This mean's in the mode that the light isn't "ON" (no light), the cable starts to heat up. I'll rectify this later, as I'm still just playing around with stuff.

I do wish at this moment in time that I should not have bothered getting the expensive 'driver' circuitry, and just stuck with the basic circuit that's included in the original tail cap (with the button). I can't currently get it to do anything other than switch between high and low modes which is really annoying. I'm probably missing something stupidly obvious in my wiring.

Anyway.. here is what I have at the moment:

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Author:  legrandefromage [ Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:24 pm ]
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Heh heh

Lets resurrect this monster again. Tried this fella out tonight and at the peaks meet.

Oh my giddy aunt! Bloody nuts!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160636012012? ... 580wt_1037

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Author:  toons [ Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:30 pm ]
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I was out riding tonight and a couple of people had these bad boys

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/t6-assault-crown-waterproof-xml-t6-3-mode-1200-lumen-white-led-bike-light-with-battery-pack-set-82508

Bloody amazing for the price

Author:  BobCatMax [ Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:29 am ]
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legrandefromage wrote:
Heh heh

Lets resurrect this monster again. Tried this fella out tonight and at the peaks meet.

Oh my giddy aunt! Bloody nuts!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160636012012? ... 580wt_1037


they look good for the price LGF. What sort of run time do you get? and is that clamp round the unit secure?..it looks a bit iffy :?

I've got 2 sets of the fist ones you discovered and they're great, but a bit annoying to have 3 AAA's powering them.

Author:  BerthaPog [ Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:46 am ]
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BobCatMax wrote:
legrandefromage wrote:
Heh heh

Lets resurrect this monster again. Tried this fella out tonight and at the peaks meet.

Oh my giddy aunt! Bloody nuts!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160636012012? ... 580wt_1037


they look good for the price LGF. What sort of run time do you get? and is that clamp round the unit secure?..it looks a bit iffy :?

I've got 2 sets of the fist ones you discovered and they're great, but a bit annoying to have 3 AAA's powering them.


For the original lights in the thread (aunt's remain calm and collected at all illumination levels), I use one of these doohickeys for a helmet mount: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170695448778&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#ht_5254wt_907.

Author:  legrandefromage [ Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:14 am ]
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BobCatMax wrote:
legrandefromage wrote:
Heh heh

Lets resurrect this monster again. Tried this fella out tonight and at the peaks meet.

Oh my giddy aunt! Bloody nuts!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160636012012? ... 580wt_1037


they look good for the price LGF. What sort of run time do you get? and is that clamp round the unit secure?..it looks a bit iffy :?

I've got 2 sets of the fist ones you discovered and they're great, but a bit annoying to have 3 AAA's powering them.


I use the clamp that came with the original lights

Author:  The Ken [ Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:30 am ]
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Mate got one of the lights like LGF's - really good and he will switch to the older clamp as the one that is with it is a bit wobbly off road - didn't fall out though.

One issue he had offroad and hitting potholes/dropping off kerbs was the other modes would switch on every so often so in the forest you would go from steady bright light to full on 90's rave strobe mode. Has anyone else had this issue?

Author:  Scougar [ Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:58 pm ]
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Will be having a laugh soon with my ebay lights as it's getting darker again :-D

Before coming on here again, I was randomly looking at P7's.. and it's cool to see the XM-L lights coming through now, and looking like they last longer than the P7's on the batteries.

Also.. I've been strapping my dogs to the bike to get them exercised recently as well lol.

In other new's.. the wife is going ahead of me to the states, as will the dogs, and I'll be ditching my car in favour of the bike for the commute (8 miles each way), so I'll be getting good use out of any lights I have over winter! Eek. I'm not a fit person, so this will be a laugh, and I think I will cave and get a magicshine variant lol.

Author:  legrandefromage [ Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:15 pm ]
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The Ken wrote:
Mate got one of the lights like LGF's - really good and he will switch to the older clamp as the one that is with it is a bit wobbly off road - didn't fall out though.

One issue he had offroad and hitting potholes/dropping off kerbs was the other modes would switch on every so often so in the forest you would go from steady bright light to full on 90's rave strobe mode. Has anyone else had this issue?


only with a 900 lumen 'cheapie' - that was terrible and almost put me off the whole cheap ebay lights thing until this new one turned up. Very solid and stable.

Author:  cchris2lou [ Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:34 pm ]
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toons wrote:
I was out riding tonight and a couple of people had these bad boys

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/t6-assault-crown-waterproof-xml-t6-3-mode-1200-lumen-white-led-bike-light-with-battery-pack-set-82508

Bloody amazing for the price


waiting for 2 of them .

but my 2 year old magic shine 900 lumens is getting better with age . last year had all sorts of trouble with the switch and battery . left it untouched for 4 months and all good again after one charge . :shock:
for info it has been used twice a day , for 30 min , 5 days a week for the past 2 winters . plus one weekly longer ride , 2 hours .

Author:  dyna-ti [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:38 am ]
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I now need another set of lights,the bargin ste of 300 lumns fault returned twice so i had to take a refund and be done with them.Bloody shame,it cost 200 odd and i got it for 40 :(
300 lumens in flash mode is pretty amazing :shock:

Well,now you chaps have had these 'bargain ebay lights' for 33 pages worth ,whats the verdict?
Which is best,most reliable and do any have a reliable flashing mode :?

Author:  Scougar [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:35 am ]
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Flashing mode? 99p job I mentioned. Very bright and lasts 100 hours.

The rear lights are pretty good as well, and for 99p you can throw them away if they go wrong.

The original bargain lights... well... I think they are 'OK', definately enough for a little off road, nothing serious. Main issue is probably them not lasting long enough... or having to recharge the batteries if you have AAA's.

Now the 'magicshine' variants seem to be even cheaper, and with a little work for £30 to £35 they are pretty damn good. I haven't got one yet though lol. (I blew all my money having fun with battery packs that work pretty well lol.)

Author:  kaiser [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:21 am ]
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At the moment I'm using one of the ebay bargain lights (I bought two) I use the other mount for a 900 lumen deal extreme torch. I also have the option of a 230 lumen helmet mounted torch too. ebay bargain light has been fine, but I seem to be lumen hungry :twisted:

I use the above for commuting on lit and unlit roads and they are bright enough that I don't have to adjust my speed. The helmet light is very handy for looking into corners as it were.

Author:  Scougar [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:31 am ]
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If anyone wants one of these free, I can probably send you one :-) (I have four lol. Two cut up, one deal extreme version, and 1 extra).

I'm gonna order the XM-L deal extreme one now to see what it's like (I'm a tech geek.. I can't help it lol).

Author:  dyna-ti [ Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:50 pm ]
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kaiser wrote:
At the moment I'm using one of the ebay bargain lights (I bought two) I use the other mount for a 900 lumen deal extreme torch. I also have the option of a 230 lumen helmet mounted torch too. ebay bargain light has been fine, but I seem to be lumen hungry :twisted:

I use the above for commuting on lit and unlit roads and they are bright enough that I don't have to adjust my speed. The helmet light is very handy for looking into corners as it were.


you should bring it to one of the meets,let the rest see them in the flesh :?

kaiser wrote:
, but I seem to be lumen hungry :twisted:


Its an addiction i think :lol: And youre caught in its heady potents

Author:  Scougar [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:24 pm ]
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Oh dear... my fingers accidently slipped for a few minutes and I ordered an XM-L assault bike light (looks like the magic shine one).

It will probably be tat... but I've always wanted one, and the XM-L LED just did it for me over the P7 lol. I will be using the ebay lights till then however and will probably improve them more.

Author:  legrandefromage [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:45 pm ]
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130576954554? ... 132wt_1270

heh heh

Author:  Scougar [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:49 pm ]
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Holy heck. There is no way that is legit?

Author:  legrandefromage [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:51 pm ]
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Scougar wrote:
Holy heck. There is no way that is legit?


no battery or charger but useful if you already own one

I will soon have two! Beware the dark!

Author:  Scougar [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:55 pm ]
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Fantasic!!

That might be worth ordering... to er... cut up! :-D


How big in the hand is it? Is it heavy? (Could you use it as a head torch?)

Author:  legrandefromage [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:56 pm ]
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scream if you want go fastrer:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/65W-45W-35W-H ... 003wt_1037

Author:  legrandefromage [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:00 pm ]
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Scougar wrote:
Fantasic!!

That might be worth ordering... to er... cut up! :-D


How big in the hand is it? Is it heavy? (Could you use it as a head torch?)



pretty hefty for a head torch but the damn thing is so bright on full power anyway. On its lowest setting, its useful enough on unlit roads and bright enough for other drivers to dip their lights.

Mid setting was the best when out in the dark countryside.

Author:  Scougar [ Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:02 pm ]
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HID though.. so potentially fragile?

Author:  Scougar [ Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:13 pm ]
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Well... the '1200 lumen' (LMAO.. yeah right!) light has been shipped, so hopefully just 7-10 days wait until I can try it out (and I'll be cycling every day.

Oh crap.. realised I don't actually have a cycling rain jacket lol. Oh dear. Any one got a second hand one?

Author:  rosstheboss [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:33 pm ]
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Hmmm, may well be getting one of the deal extreme lights.... been looking through their website and found this page which might be handy for the light fettlers amongst you....

http://www.dealextreme.com/c/flashlight ... -tools-917

Author:  dek1165 [ Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:45 pm ]
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We tested the 1300 lumen model at work today with a light meter and compared it to an Exposure model too,can't remember the model. Anyway the twenty quid model was brighter by some margin. I'm well impressed but can't comment whether it will be as robust nor last as long as an Exposure.
So in summary, bloody good value.

Author:  elPedro666 [ Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:48 am ]
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Scougar wrote:
Well... the '1200 lumen' (LMAO.. yeah right!) light has been shipped, so hopefully just 7-10 days wait until I can try it out (and I'll be cycling every day.

Oh crap.. realised I don't actually have a cycling rain jacket lol. Oh dear. Any one got a second hand one?


Try Ribble, £32 for, um, something good.

Author:  Scougar [ Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:19 pm ]
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Received my 1200 lumen (not) light.

First thoughts:

Much heavier than the P7 lights (Was a fair while ago I held one, but it seems heavier).
Battery definately needs waterproofing.
Pretty good build quality/durable*
With the exception of the switch on the back which I don't think is great.
Does not seem to 'flood' the area as much as a P7 unit.

I think if I ordered again, I'd get the P7 magicshine, mainly due to the weight.

It is however very bright, I just need to try going out and seeing what it's like on the road.

Author:  jax13 [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:45 am ]
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Scougar wrote:
Well... the '1200 lumen' (LMAO.. yeah right!) light has been shipped, so hopefully just 7-10 days wait until I can try it out (and I'll be cycling every day.

Oh crap.. realised I don't actually have a cycling rain jacket lol. Oh dear. Any one got a second hand one?


have a look at the dare2be website - essentially regattas mountain sport stuff. i got a load of stuff a few weeks ago and everything is fantastic kit for the money.

a pack-down waterproof which goes to about a cricket ball and a half in size was only £25 iirc, they've got some cracking windproof tops as well that were a staggering £9.50 each and they are great in this sort of weather (where you don't feel the cold once your moving but need something a bit more substantial than a t-shirt!)

Author:  clockworkgazz [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:25 am ]
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I have that pack down waterproof and it is great value and quality, not going to keep you dry if it really opens up but good for modrate or light rain and keeps you warm without sweating.

Author:  old_coyote_pedaller [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:49 pm ]
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Anybody bought off this guy?

http://www.mtbbatteries.co.uk/index.html

Seems like the same light as being sold on e-Bay with better light switching mode but no exaggerated claims as to battery capacity or light output.

E-mailed him last week with a couple of questions as I was willing to pay more as he was a UK seller who would be more accessible to resolve any possible problems.

No reply or acknowledgement so just asking here if anybody has any info. Have e-mailed again today hoping for a reply this time.

Author:  kaiser [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:08 pm ]
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ocp theres also a seller on ebay from glasgow who tests all batteries and lights and offers a guarantee.


I'm still waiting for mine(hopefully before friday :o ) but what I've read is that there is sometimes a shortage of thermal paste. I'll assume thermal paste helps transmit heat to the casing and heatsinks but can anyone tell me where to apply it?

Author:  old_coyote_pedaller [ Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:53 pm ]
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The only time I've used thermal paste was when I had to change the fan on our computer's CPU heatsink.

From what I remember the CPU has a flat area that the heatsink is clamped against. I put the thermal paste in between the two flat areas where it was before. Didn't need much but it was an expensive tiny wee syringe that I got from local computer shop.
No idea what the inside of light looks like but it should be fairly obvious where it goes. :wink:

Is the guy from Glasgow big_f_d_d? If so I found him on eBay when I was looking for these lights. He's selling Magicshine lights virtually the same as the lights the guy in my earlier link. £80 is more than the £67 that the mtbbatteries guy is selling them for. A lot more than the £30 odd that you can get them for from the Far East on eBay. Think I'll take the chance that the cheaper ones are just the same as the UK sellers much more expensive ones.

big_f_d_d's website http://www.torchythebatteryboy.com/p/magicshine.html is quite good where he tests the lights and batteries. His tests of the Magicshine lights don't fill me with confidence as to the reliability of the Magicshine lights, chargers, and build.

Looks like if I don't get a reply soon from mtbbatteries I'll be buying from the Far East.

I did think about this light though,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250906539591? ... 1423.l2649

Again way cheaper than UK sellers who probably source their stock from same manufacturer.

Author:  toons [ Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:55 pm ]
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2000 lumen torch!!

FandyFire F-3800 Flashlight
3- CREE XM-LT6 LED
2000 Lumens Brightness
Detachable Tubes Design

http://e.dealextreme.com/albums/best-led-flashlights/?r=90000231

EDIT: Think this was posted before, sorry

Author:  cyfa2809 [ Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:50 pm ]
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What/where are people getting the 18650's in aaa sizE??

Author:  Scougar [ Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:22 pm ]
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Go here for a list of battery sizes :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battery_sizes

But be aware that you will put about 11.1 volts through the led if you just replace these directly with lithium equivalents. You would need to wire the battery holder differently in order to get it running in parallel to deliver only 3.7v's.

A better option is to just use regular AAA rechargeables. Sanyo Eneloops are very good.. but a little pricey. However, they are safer to charge than lithium.

Author:  DegsUk [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:08 pm ]
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legrandefromage wrote:
Heh heh

Lets resurrect this monster again. Tried this fella out tonight and at the peaks meet.

Oh my giddy aunt! Bloody nuts!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160636012012? ... 580wt_1037

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Mine just arrived ,,,,oh boy its a beast !

Author:  Scougar [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:29 pm ]
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Did you get a chance to compare it to magicshine's or other XM-L lights?

Author:  DegsUk [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:12 pm ]
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Eek no only my current work use light

Author:  beepbeep [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:59 pm ]
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Bought one of the above recently too. Very pleased with it after a couple of night rides in the local forest, got about 1.5 - 2 hours life out of the battery before it slowly started dying on me.
I actually crossed paths with a guy just sitting on a picnic bench out there at half ten at night – don't know who was most surprised!! :shock:

Going to get another one though. I think you need one to light the trail and one to throw a beam, and at £20, unbelievable value.

My friend was so impressed (even without seeing it in action) that I ordered two for him too. He uses them for jogging as he lives in the country.

Author:  The Ken [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:05 pm ]
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Scougar wrote:
Did you get a chance to compare it to magicshine's or other XM-L lights?


I've compared it and the xml bikelight - the bikelight is a fair bit brighter even with the beam spreader on it. But it should be as it is using twice the voltage (it's not near 2 times as bright though).

Author:  Scougar [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:30 am ]
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"Beam spreader" ?

I'm definately interested in getting a better flood out of my XM-L light.. really not happy with it having as much throw as it does, given that it's mounted on the bike and not my helmet.

Author:  old_coyote_pedaller [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:53 am ]
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Scougar wrote:
"Beam spreader" ?


TK might mean this lens,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280752532003? ... 1423.l2649

I think he said he bought one.

Author:  The Ken [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:10 am ]
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yup that's the one - works really well, lights the width of a fire track nicely. a few bits of noticable abberation at the bottom but it isn't exactly made of optical glass :)

Tazio also mentioned using frosting film for a softer spread (he works with theatre lighting) but I'd already ordered this.

Author:  Scougar [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:43 pm ]
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Hmm.. soon as I actually get some money, I think I'll give that lens a go :-) Does it seal up well?

My only real concern with any of these lights is potentially blinding traffic. I always point my slightly down and too the left when road cycling (commute). I want to be seen not stop anyone else from getting to there destination. (Some people really don't seem to give a **** about anyone else than themselves when cycling, which is frankly, not on. Be seen, don't be a problem.

Author:  The Ken [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:06 pm ]
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I use the dipped beam for on road, it is fine - If a driver doesn't dip his lights I give a quick switch to flash mode - amazing how quickly they dip after that.

Author:  Enid_Puceflange [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:33 pm ]
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I just bought one of these from an electronics market out here

http://www.mtbbatteries.co.uk/index.html

The selection out here is phenomenal, mostly Cree torches going up to (a claimed) 3600lumins!! :shock:

It lights up the hotel opposite us quite nicely :twisted:
Came with bar & helmet mounts
Will try it out when I get back.

G

Author:  old_coyote_pedaller [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:57 pm ]
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How much are they out there?


If they are cheap maybe you could give your wallet a little exercise on our behalf. :wink:
Hope you've got space in yer suitcase.

Nae pressure like. 8)


On the other hand maybe with a suitcase full of them you might get the rubber-glove treatment from UK Customs. :shock:

Author:  Scougar [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:27 pm ]
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If it is identical (including the battery cover and two strap pouch), then I've seen that MTBBatteries one in the flesh, and the quality is pretty good :-) )

Author:  hedgehog [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:17 pm ]
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Some beamshots of the XML MS clone here, with and without diffuser.

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... &start=260

Author:  DegsUk [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:58 pm ]
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Took the ebay one out before on the bike and it kept switching from flashing to static and even off ! Gonna try the other battery and go out again tomorow :?

Author:  legrandefromage [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:35 pm ]
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DegsUk wrote:
Took the ebay one out before on the bike and it kept switching from flashing to static and even off ! Gonna try the other battery and go out again tomorow :?


One of mine was doing silly things - took the switch mechanism apart and ran a soldering iron over it - seems better now

Author:  Scougar [ Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:20 pm ]
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Tonight I tested my original (given to me by a retrobiker) Cree 5W ebay light that I replaced the LED and massively rewired to use a UBS connector and external modified 4000mah battery pack. Used it on my helmet in the p*ssing rain, and it ran just fine, but kinda pointless on the well lit streets as such. Wasn't too heavy at all though so should be good for the moors if I go up there in the dark, to accompany my XM-L light.

I made sure I put some thermal paste on it as well.

(Off topic: Looking at the maglite mini that's broken. Gonna try and rig something up for that so I can have the working... it will prob involve filing down some LED's I already have and wiring it up.)

Author:  EarlofBarnet [ Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:40 am ]
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I've just picked up a "
1300 CREE T6 LED Bike Bicycle Light Flashlight Torch A7" up for £19.68 delivered on eBay. Bargain for: 1300Lm High Power Torch
+Bicycle Light Holder + 5 Leds Rear Light
+2 x 2400mAh 18650 Battery + Charger. Got to be worth the money as an occasional off-road light, esp if it's near to the claimed 1300Lm.

Author:  legrandefromage [ Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:19 am ]
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I, er...


used two of the 1200 lm torches as strobes during some very loud music of the repetitive beat kind...

Found these btw:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4x-18650-3-7V ... 500wt_1413

Author:  old_coyote_pedaller [ Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:49 am ]
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This site may be of interest to anyone considering buying 18650 3.7v batteries and chargers from HK.

http://www.torchythebatteryboy.com/p/batteries_21.html

The pics at foot of page of the faults in just one charger :shock: are frightening.

LGF, I am assuming you are taking the claims of 5000mAH for these batteries with a large dose of salt. :wink:
Some of the batteries he checked were recycled laptop batteries that were re-covered to look like new but were crap. :roll:

Author:  Enid_Puceflange [ Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:09 am ]
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old_coyote_pedaller wrote:
How much are they out there?


If they are cheap maybe you could give your wallet a little exercise on our behalf. :wink:
Hope you've got space in yer suitcase.

Nae pressure like. 8)


On the other hand maybe with a suitcase full of them you might get the rubber-glove treatment from UK Customs. :shock:


Mrs P haggled the gadgie down to £20 :D

I woulda paid the £34 he wanted for it, only problem is , the charger is fitted for China mains elec @ 120v :? ,So I will need to sort something out

Quality is awesome too, we are back in H.K now , I will see if I can find any out here, but never saw any here when we arrived, did see the bad boy torches though

G
:wink: :wink:

Author:  DegsUk [ Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:39 am ]
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Going to try these in the ebay light
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/x2-18650-SENY ... 4ab0638a8e

Author:  DegsUk [ Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:53 am ]
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got a reply off the seller today with



hi

Sorry to hear the problem of the item

Could you please try to screw the and bottom tightly ?

And please confirm you put in the fully charge battery

Please test it first and inform us if you have further question

Tried the fix given above , didnt work so they are replacing it :D

Author:  BobCatMax [ Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:31 pm ]
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EarlofBarnet wrote:
I've just picked up a "
1300 CREE T6 LED Bike Bicycle Light Flashlight Torch A7" up for £19.68 delivered on eBay. Bargain for: 1300Lm High Power Torch
+Bicycle Light Holder + 5 Leds Rear Light
+2 x 2400mAh 18650 Battery + Charger. Got to be worth the money as an occasional off-road light, esp if it's near to the claimed 1300Lm.


how've you been finding yours EoB?

Author:  DegsUk [ Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:34 pm ]
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I had a new one sent as the thing kept switching modes whilst I was riding . :(

Author:  KeepItSteel [ Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:04 pm ]
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After searching for ages for the most recommended lights and trying a few out for myself ive settled on a twin XML, as reviewed and sold by torchythebatteryboy.
They have a great spread and don't appear to suffer at all with overheating issues like other 'wonder lights' ive come across (MJ-872 is worst culprit). They also have a very impressive throw. I've seen around 2h45min+ on (mainly) full mean so plenty of burn time too.

You can also ditch the rubbish rubber band type bar mount kit and easily adapt a universal Hope bar mount kit to fit, which gives a rock solid mounting to your bar.
Bear in mind these pics were taken in pitch darkness, you can see how good the throw is on my neighbours wall!
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These can be found for as little as £99, I really don't think anything betters it for value, that is, for true fast speed reliable off road night riding. Coupled with an Exposure Diablo on my helmet, im really happy with my night ride set up.

Author:  EarlofBarnet [ Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:21 pm ]
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BobCatMax wrote:
EarlofBarnet wrote:
how've you been finding yours EoB?


Not had chance to offroad with it yet, but it is phenomenally bright! I came back from work with my 270Lm light on the other day and that was just about bright enough. The 1300Lm light should be amazing! Seems of ok quality, metal construction. Comes with two rechargeable batteries and only needs on in at a time, which handily gives you a spare. For under £20 I'm more than happy :)

Author:  Grannygrinder [ Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:55 pm ]
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EoB. have you got a link tothat one? Sounds right up my street :wink:

Author:  BerthaPog [ Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:30 am ]
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Grannygrinder wrote:
EoB. have you got a link tothat one? Sounds right up my street :wink:


Possibly one of these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from= ... Categories

Author:  EarlofBarnet [ Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:32 am ]
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There the ones 8)

Author:  mrlee [ Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:01 am ]
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has anyone tried to run there magic shines on radio control car batteries?
they not the required 8.4v but 7.2v and with the option of high mha for much less than the other options, the reason I ask is that ive tried it and the outcome is slightly brighter and lasts longer, I think the rc batts give more delivery power but im not sure, also is this going to damage the led driver?
cheers,

Author:  EarlofBarnet [ Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:43 pm ]
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Had my first proper night ride with my £20 1300Lm light yesterday, thought I'd leave an update. It's amazing! Very bright and good beam spread. Mount that came with it is difficult to get tight enough on bars, so may have to get a different style clamp. Apart from that I couldn't ask for any more from it. Best £20 I've ever spent.

Author:  jamabikes [ Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:14 pm ]
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eob: do you have a link?

i have the original thread starter light and its not very water proof! good 5mm of water floating around between the reflector and lens after one ride :lol: bit of insulation tape sorted it though.

Author:  Carge [ Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:17 pm ]
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@ Jama - TedC posted the link to these at the bottom of page36

@ EoB - you reckon the bar mount is pants - any idea if the mount from the originally bargain ebay light would fit this torch?

Author:  EarlofBarnet [ Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:04 pm ]
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These are the ones: http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-53481 ... Categories

Not sure on whether you could use a mount from the original. Think the light has a 'shaft' diameter of around 20mm. I ran a search on eBay for torch bike mounts and a few come up with Velcro fittings so think that may do. The mount that comes with the light I got looks like it'll split in half so some bodgery with an old light bracket may do. Will have a go and update the thread with the results.

Author:  Carge [ Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:29 pm ]
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Cheers EoB,
The original eBay light has a "shaft" diameter of 27mm - so the search for a 20mm to 27mm shim begins :)

Author:  EarlofBarnet [ Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:02 pm ]
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Bit of a result with the search for a new bracket for my Cree Torch...the one from my £5 (270Lm) eBay light fits with a small rubber shim between the light and the bracket. Had to unscrew the end from the light, then pushed it through the bracket with shims in place and popped it back together again. Job done, much more secure.

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Brackets are available separately on eBay for £1.55 delivered: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bike-Cycle-Li ... 35b430ad6d

Got two hours from one battery in my light, run at a mixture of full and medium been. So with the two batteries you get you should be good for 3-4hrs depending on beam used.

Author:  Scougar [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:35 pm ]
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Well... with regard to the 1200 to 1600 lumen (depends on advert!) XM-L lights... the 'Assault XM-L' light I got from deal extreme appears to have broken today. Gave me a very dim red LED last night, so put it on charge for around 6 hours.

Tried it this morning and red LED.. not even a 'flash' when connecting the wires up :-( Bummer.

Bringing my multi meter home tonight and try to determine if it's the battery.

Author:  bedraggled [ Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:14 pm ]
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Scougar wrote:
Well... with regard to the 1200 to 1600 lumen (depends on advert!) XM-L lights... the 'Assault XM-L' light I got from deal extreme appears to have broken today. Gave me a very dim red LED last night, so put it on charge for around 6 hours.

Tried it this morning and red LED.. not even a 'flash' when connecting the wires up :-( Bummer.

Bringing my multi meter home tonight and try to determine if it's the battery.


Be interested in an update because my light did exactly the same last week and I haven't a clue whether it's the battery or the light.

Author:  Scougar [ Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:56 pm ]
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I don't seem to be getting a reading above 0.4v from the battery. I think it's buggered.

It could be a dodgy wire/connection of course, but reckon it's died.

Even though the battery is wrapped in a back the top taped up and then two cables ties to hold the bag on, and then placed inside a case.... I notice there is a tiny bit of rust showing (I think it's rust) on the bottom of the bag, coming from the battery. I will check this out.

Author:  Scougar [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:06 pm ]
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Just to say I have not yet had a response from Deal Extreme regarding this.

Battery is totally dead now. Zero volts.

Author:  EarlofBarnet [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:22 pm ]
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Battery charger went a little fickle on mine. Still, wasn't grumbling when a replacement was under £2 delivered :)

Author:  Scougar [ Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:00 pm ]
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Finally got a reply from deal extreme. I think their answer comes from me already demonstrating I have at least a small understanding of electronics lol.

They basically said that they would refund me $7 if I could fix it myself, or as it's outside the 90 day period, I would have to pay shipping back to get it checked out and replaced etc.

To be honest, I'm actually pretty happy with that reply.. as I wouldn't mind taking it apart and having a stab at fixing it. (I have noticed the bottom seems to have some rust/corrosion contamination through the cardboard.. so I will start there).

In other news: My modified "5W Cree" ebay light has held up well after my recent tumble, even coming disconnected from the USB power cable in the process lol. I did bust the bracket however.. luckily I have another 3 of those :-)

Author:  The Ken [ Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:09 pm ]
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My battery is dead too, I took it apart to find a fair bit of rust - (Mine was wrapped in clingfilm all the time) the connecting strips and charging circuit seems to be to blame as the cells are fine.

One connecting strip has burnt out and reconnecting it gets nothing out of the battery via the circuit board, very disappointed but that is the risk with self-imported goods.

New batteries seem to be around £12 -£18 on ebay but there are no real details on the connector or whether they are protected circuits - or if they will work with the original charger.

Battery-Pack

Author:  Scougar [ Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:53 pm ]
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I'll try to take a look tonight and get a photo up if possible (I'm short for time, but I'll try). Are you able to get a photo of you damage?

Author:  The Ken [ Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:21 pm ]
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here you go...

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Author:  Scougar [ Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:02 pm ]
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Blimey. Defo gonna quickly take mine apart when I get in. That is freaking terrible! Incidently.. mine was also sealed against water incursion.

Author:  The Ken [ Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:08 pm ]
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I've ordered another from that link above, I'm tempted to take it apart before I use it to see what it is like "new" They aren't waterproof anyway so new heatshrink and perhaps a home-made silicone case with prevent further issues.

Author:  Scougar [ Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:18 pm ]
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I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that the problem is not caused by water. I reckon it's caused by badly chosen metals/solders and possibly even some chemical leakage aiding corrosion from the batteries themselves (although I don't know if lithium batteries tend to leak?)

Author:  The Ken [ Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:37 pm ]
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I agree, I think is is a venting issue with the heat build up aiding corrosion.

I'm starting to think my totally sealled clingfilm method might have been part of the cause....

Quote:
Lithium-ion batteries produce gas while operating, so its container needs venting to prevent the battery from exploding. Lithium-ion batteries also produce heat, so the container must have a shutoff switch to prevent the battery from overheating.

Read more: How to Construct a Lithium-Ion Battery | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_7637452_constru ... z1luJBXkZs

Author:  Scougar [ Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:04 pm ]
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My corrosion is VERY minimal. My batteries are orange and bizarrely have the lettting scrapped off them! Obviously something they didn't want us to see.

Looks like the main positive connector (sorry.. "thin strip of metal") has burnt out. Batteries are actually perfectly fine and almost in balance.

Oooo actually.. just seen some corrosion/possible heat damage from the circuit board. Will take a look after dinner.

Author:  The Ken [ Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:08 pm ]
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one of the chips on mine has the numbers scraped off the top, I think it is common practice and might denote "seconds" type components.

Author:  Scougar [ Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:34 pm ]
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Circuit board was facing downwards against the battery. Looks to have a little corrosion on it and on the chip legs unfortunately.

Will see what I can do with it. I just checked the chipset, and I think it's screwed, will need a new circuit board. Batteries themselves appear to be fine.

Think I will have to put pics up tomorrow as I have to go out.

Author:  The Ken [ Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:46 pm ]
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where can you get the circuit boards? that's all mine needs

Author:  Scougar [ Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:09 pm ]
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Maybe deal extreme or ebay.

Author:  J i m s t e r [ Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:28 pm ]
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Just bought two of them £20 torches that Earl of Barnet reckons are the nuts. I can use both together for night rides and when me and #1 son are at Center Parcs in Sherwood we can use one each. Should be a laugh.

As I've ordered 2 torches, 2 chargers getting sent too, hopefully.

Also already got about four of these and I rate them:

http://www.thetorchsite.co.uk/Fenix_and ... ounts.html

I've had a load of chinese mounts with various lights and the rails or screw parts always break dead easy. Not so with these!

Author:  JamesM [ Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:55 pm ]
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I've used lock blocks and found that if you mount your torch with two, an inline one around the stem and a 90 degree one under the bars, they are really secure.

Author:  Scougar [ Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:24 am ]
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I use a deal extreme block for my helmet, (just like the lock blocks) and they never move. Excellent. If they move on the handlebars, I would just recommend putting some grip tape around the bar first, but I guarantee the torch won't move in the block.

Also.. they replied about the circuit board saying they couldn't get a replacement so I have to send the whole thing back for RMA. I have asked if that is the whole lot (Light + battery + head mount etc) but they have not responded yet. However, here's the good bit.. It's a UK (yes : UK!) address for the RMA :-D

OH.. and I couldn't help myself.. I just ordered a 13000mah battery from DX: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/rechargeab ... ack-110679

They also do a slightly smaller 9600 unit as well. Looking around the web, it seems they are actually the capacity they say they are.. but I'll let you know :-D (good for me anyway, as I use a USB connection to power my lights as well as all my other equipment lol.

Author:  Scougar [ Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:29 pm ]
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Well... I STILL have to send off the bike light back to DX, but as it happens the BEAST turned up today (BATTERY 13000mah lol) (http://www.dealextreme.com/p/rechargeab ... ack-110679) , so I now have the ideal packaging to send the light back in :-)

Guess I'll have to wait for a replacement to turn up.

Author:  Scougar [ Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:10 pm ]
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Well.. I posted it back to the a UK address for the RMA, and they have now requested £7 to send another to me.

A bit odd I thought, as they ship everything free normally.. so to charge me for a defective item (It is outside there 90 days though) to be replaced is a bit harsh.. especially as it only cost me £3.85 to post it to them tracked in the first place.

Will let you know.

Author:  J i m s t e r [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:55 pm ]
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Mine arrived this morning, have been charging both sets side by side, still red LED (in the charger). How long do they usually take (I'd say it's been 5 hours so far)?

Author:  J i m s t e r [ Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:32 pm ]
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Well, got to work this morning and both chargers are green LEDs. Took the batteries out, put them in the torches, nothing doing. Swapped all batteries in both torches. Clicking the end caps, no light.

Any ideas before I return them?

EDIT: You have to put the batteries in upside down, so the internal "Spring" terminal is actually on the +ve cap of the battery. Yes, really. I've never owned a battery-powered device where this is the case.

Lunacy.

Author:  Scougar [ Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:34 pm ]
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What light do you have again?

Author:  J i m s t e r [ Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:49 pm ]
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Same ones as Earl of Barnet

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150646573438?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

Author:  BobCatMax [ Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:09 pm ]
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anyone seen this little bundle of fun??

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3x-CREE-XM-L- ... 653wt_1058

Author:  ovlov440 [ Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:43 am ]
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...the set I have is identical (only a much more appealing black colour) - I cannot fault them so far - very good for the price so if they only last a couple of seasons I will be more than happy. Very good beam control on them. I have mine mounted on an Acor mount (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Acor-Handleba ... 516wt_1163) so they are centered on the bars otherwise they are almost impossible to fit on risers.

Author:  BobCatMax [ Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:16 am ]
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same as the ones i posted?

cool, would be interested to see how they fare over time. not a bad deal for £56-ish

Author:  legrandefromage [ Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:59 pm ]
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Autumnal bump

Author:  old_coyote_pedaller [ Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:36 pm ]
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Autumnal? Feck me it's been autumn all summer long up here.
Now it's gone straight to winter.


Anyway,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bike-Bicycle- ... 7212039924

Author:  02gf74 [ Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:19 pm ]
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last week I took delivery of this lamp - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CREE-XM-L-XML ... 27ca74ade7

I paid £ 21, the same lamp is now £ 1.40 cheaper ggrr......

Seem right enough - today I tapped the lamp for M3 thread to use an buitoon head screw instead of the nasty self tapper and glued on the base as it was a bit wobbly. (manged to drop the circular glass piece and chipped it at the edge but fortunately it is hidden. :twisted:

once the clocks change, then it will get some use.

Author:  mikee [ Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:25 pm ]
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old_coyote_pedaller wrote:
Autumnal? Feck me it's been autumn all summer long up here.
Now it's gone straight to winter.


Anyway,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bike-Bicycle- ... 7212039924


was summer today

so whats the latest Asian light phenomenon ?

Author:  P20 [ Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:09 am ]
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This looks like fun 3600lumen

Author:  JamesM [ Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:13 pm ]
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3600 lumens eh, you'll have to excuse me if I seem a little sceptical :lol:

Author:  P20 [ Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:17 pm ]
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It won't be. But it's 3 XMLT6 chips so it should be impressive for the money.

Author:  JamesM [ Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:50 pm ]
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I'm sure it's brighter than the single T6 version but it might not be that much brighter. Three LEDs vs one doesn't necessarily make it any brighter. To drive three T6 LEDs as hard as they are driving the single T6 LED in the single LED light would require 3 times more current from the batteries. Can those cheap 18650's handle that??? It would also generate 3 times more heat and the single LED light wasn't exactly brilliant at exporting its heat to the outside casing. So this one could either burn out (quicker), catch fire (battery) or just not be that much brighter?

I suspect it will be have much more flood but less throw than the single LED light. Assuming it isn't actually three times brighter than the single LED light, the surface brightness of the LEDs will be lower than that of the single LED light as say 50% more lumens from 200% more surface area will result in a larger but dimmer beam profile. Also there are now three small reflectors rather than one large one and large reflectors focus the beam better.

Author:  JamesM [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:08 am ]
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Just keep on adding those XML's :lol:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/9000-LM-Lumen ... 3ccaaedc63

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10000-Lumen-9 ... 3a79d3b4d4

Author:  kaiser [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:16 am ]
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The thing with that 3600lumen one is that if the LED's are driven lower would they last longer and the heat be less? Theres a UK guy selling a light and he states the same about his, could be driven harder but at the expense of the longevity.

Author:  kaiser [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:21 am ]
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Heres a few more promising looking lights if you want to spend a bit extra.

http://www.mtbbatteries.co.uk/mountain- ... -light-v1/

http://www.mtbbatteries.co.uk/mountain- ... lumenator/

http://www.crgmoto.co.uk/gloworm-x2-led ... 1734-p.asp

Author:  JamesM [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:51 am ]
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kaiser wrote:
The thing with that 3600lumen one is that if the LED's are driven lower would they last longer and the heat be less? Theres a UK guy selling a light and he states the same about his, could be driven harder but at the expense of the longevity.


Each LED may not be as hot but the total temp and the temp of driver board may well be higher.

Author:  DegsUk [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:11 pm ]
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Anyone had any of these3 ??


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CREE-Q5-Bicyc ... 9640614586

Author:  dyna-ti [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:26 pm ]
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40 pages for a set of cheap lights.Is that mean theyre good of total pants :?The fact its gone on this long with several cheap models being reviewed i'd say theyre all rubbish.Well thats what this suggests to me

Author:  FSR-Si [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:49 pm ]
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dyna-ti wrote:
40 pages for a set of cheap lights.Is that mean theyre good of total pants :?The fact its gone on this long with several cheap models being reviewed i'd say theyre all rubbish.Well thats what this suggests to me


The original lights that LGF posted were and are great, had mine for nearly 2yrs and cant fault them :)

Author:  FluffyChicken [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:11 pm ]
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So back on topic, some of these recent are damned expensive.

So what is this years must have <£10 bike light.

Author:  BobCatMax [ Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:55 am ]
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FSR-Si wrote:

The original lights that LGF posted were and are great, had mine for nearly 2yrs and cant fault them :)



This ^

still running mine too. one on me lid and one on me bars, both with rechargeable sticks in them

Author:  B77 [ Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:22 am ]
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Got one of these in the post the other day for under a tenner,

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360477864104? ... 290wt_1200

Very impressed with the quality of manufacture and they chucked in a spare battery foc.
Charged her up and went out for a bimble last night, ok it's very early days but seems to work very well and 3 levels of brightness. I'll be getting another one.

Author:  bulldog [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:09 pm ]
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B77 wrote:
Got one of these in the post the other day for under a tenner,

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360477864104? ... 290wt_1200

Very impressed with the quality of manufacture and they chucked in a spare battery foc.
Charged her up and went out for a bimble last night, ok it's very early days but seems to work very well and 3 levels of brightness. I'll be getting another one.

this still holding up,worth getting?

Author:  hamster [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:57 am ]
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BobCatMax wrote:
FSR-Si wrote:

The original lights that LGF posted were and are great, had mine for nearly 2yrs and cant fault them :)



This ^

still running mine too. one on me lid and one on me bars, both with rechargeable sticks in them


And mine - 4 sets. Two have gone a bit funny in flash mode (seems to be a switch problem) but on plain old constant they are great.

Author:  legrandefromage [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:06 pm ]
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Just received one of these, ordered back in September so arrived just in time

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CREE-XML-XM-L ... 0477864104

Absolutely spot on for quality. Am dismantling it for a bit of waterproofing but am impressed so far. No stupid flashing modes, comes with battery and charger but takes a few weeks to arrive.

Author:  FluffyChicken [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:26 pm ]
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legrandefromage wrote:
Just received one of these, ordered back in September so arrived just in time

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CREE-XML-XM-L ... 0477864104

Absolutely spot on for quality. Am dismantling it for a bit of waterproofing but am impressed so far. No stupid flashing modes, comes with battery and charger but takes a few weeks to arrive.


None adjustable beam ?

Spot, Flood or a bit in between ?
Would it light up the whole path and side trees down a dark cycletrack enough to see the edges ?

Author:  legrandefromage [ Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:49 pm ]
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FluffyChicken wrote:
legrandefromage wrote:
Just received one of these, ordered back in September so arrived just in time

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CREE-XML-XM-L ... 0477864104

Absolutely spot on for quality. Am dismantling it for a bit of waterproofing but am impressed so far. No stupid flashing modes, comes with battery and charger but takes a few weeks to arrive.


None adjustable beam ?

Spot, Flood or a bit in between ?
Would it light up the whole path and side trees down a dark cycletrack enough to see the edges ?


Non focus beam but, and its a good but, you have full, medium and low. The low is bright enough and spread enough to see by on full charge, the medium is almost too bright and the full is almost Exposure strength. I'd use this for off-road/ country riding and combine with a cheapy as a back and general light.

Having used an Exposure MaXx-D, the cheapy really is not bad at all

Author:  ChrisR [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:43 am ]
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I have one of these...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220962577490?redirect=mobile

Non focusing but my god is it bright.. Has three settings first is just centre light, second is all three, third is the outer two.

For my general commute through a country park (unlit) the first setting is more than adequate and gives enough spread to effectively light a 6ft wide path.

The full setting is ridiculously bright with the smaller two adding a bit more spread to the beam without being 3 seperate spots.

The last setting is bright enough for general riding where there's a small amount of ambient light.

One charge will see approximately 7 hours on the first setting.. Not tried on the others as yet.

Author:  BobCatMax [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:51 am ]
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legrandefromage wrote:
Just received one of these, ordered back in September so arrived just in time

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CREE-XML-XM-L ... 0477864104

Absolutely spot on for quality. Am dismantling it for a bit of waterproofing but am impressed so far. No stupid flashing modes, comes with battery and charger but takes a few weeks to arrive.


Just ordered one at the insistence of my other half..

quite looking forward to building up my winter commuter again with this bad boy

Author:  B77 [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:39 am ]
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BobCatMax wrote:
legrandefromage wrote:
Just received one of these, ordered back in September so arrived just in time

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CREE-XML-XM-L ... 0477864104

Absolutely spot on for quality. Am dismantling it for a bit of waterproofing but am impressed so far. No stupid flashing modes, comes with battery and charger but takes a few weeks to arrive.


Just ordered one at the insistence of my other half..

quite looking forward to building up my winter commuter again with this bad boy


I also have one, excellent battery life, well built, no problems so far. As far as I can tell absoulutely no different from the ones that some chancer sells for 60 quid.

Author:  BobCatMax [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:42 am ]
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Excellent.

Just out of interest LGF, what sort of waterproofing did you do?

Author:  FluffyChicken [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:35 am ]
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Nice little review LGF, couple with my Smart Owl (10W/4W Halogen) it'll do well.

Anyone know when import tax hits.
Say if I buy 2 of them together.
Or do two separate transaction ?

Author:  gavinda [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:11 pm ]
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Just bought one too in the hope it'll help overcome my winter cycling apathy. Bought a new bike 6 weeks ago and rode it twice since, yet I'm trying to justify a fatbike in the stable as well. Swmbo needs to see me riding before I spunk more money on bikes.

Author:  BobCatMax [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:05 pm ]
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give the fatbike to me?

Author:  gavinda [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:57 pm ]
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Sheeeeeeit. I haven't even bought the thing yet :lol:

I'm waiting for the ride to work scheme to start again as some how I'm eligible for that even though I drive a company van? Should be able to pick ill an on one fatty for sub £700 wih the scheme.

Author:  FluffyChicken [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:18 pm ]
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gavinda wrote:
Sheeeeeeit. I haven't even bought the thing yet :lol:

I'm waiting for the ride to work scheme to start again as some how I'm eligible for that even though I drive a company van? Should be able to pick ill an on one fatty for sub £700 wih the scheme.


You're eligible as long as you ride the bike for the commute or at least some percentage of it.

Employees should use the bike mainly for commuting to and, if relevant, between work places (at least 50% of the bike’s use should be for work purposes). However, the bike can also be used for non-work purposes and there is no need for employers to monitor individual usage or for employees to keep a mileage log. Please note that employees cannot claim business mileage allowance with a bike that is being hired to them by their employer.

Also it's not your bike but the companies... You are hiring it, check what you'll need to pay at the end of the period as well as your sacrifice from pay.

But that's for another thread.

Author:  gavinda [ Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:34 pm ]
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across my drive? it's deep gravel so the tyre float will help :lol:

Author:  BobCatMax [ Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:02 am ]
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BobCatMax wrote:
Just ordered one at the insistence of my other half..



its arrived 8)

Author:  twain [ Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:09 pm ]
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turn it on, look directly in to it and tell me how long the 'spots in your eyes' last for.
you can tell how good a light is by doing that.

Author:  BobCatMax [ Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:12 am ]
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opted for the slightly more orthodox and perhaps usual test of shining it up a road, in the dark.

holy hell batman.

i would say that the lowest setting is the same as the lights that this thread was orginially about, the middle is too bright to shine directly into oncoming traffic, and the top setting is just plain silly.

perfect 8)

Author:  DegsUk [ Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:45 am ]
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BobCatMax wrote:
opted for the slightly more orthodox and perhaps usual test of shining it up a road, in the dark.

holy hell batman.

i would say that the lowest setting is the same as the lights that this thread was orginially about, the middle is too bright to shine directly into oncoming traffic, and the top setting is just plain silly.

perfect 8)



Thats got me interested ... :D :D

Author:  twain [ Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:17 pm ]
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BobCatMax wrote:
opted for the slightly more orthodox and perhaps usual test of shining it up a road, in the dark.

holy hell batman.

i would say that the lowest setting is the same as the lights that this thread was orginially about, the middle is too bright to shine directly into oncoming traffic, and the top setting is just plain silly.

perfect 8)


or that yes.

some battery life comments at some point would be nice to hear too :)
but at £8snids, i'd be inclined to just try them out myself. i do like the colour :)

Author:  bren [ Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:43 pm ]
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I've just received one of the lights mentioned in the original posting for £7.99 Arrived in 2 days!
The free rear light is a bit plasticky but who cares, it works fine. The headlight seems pretty good. Doubles as a torch when removed and it's bright enough for me.
No idea on battery life yet, but as thy take AAA's and I have rechargeable versions who cares right?!

Author:  BobCatMax [ Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:49 am ]
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twain wrote:

some battery life comments at some point would be nice to hear too :)
but at £8snids, i'd be inclined to just try them out myself. i do like the colour :)


right, two weeks in - to be precise 9 days of commuting, at least 10 hours of riding and I would say of those 10, 9 on low, and one on medium

still going strong, still on the same charge from the factory.

I got flashed at for having it on medium and pointing up the road rather than down on it.

somethng to bear in mind, the cost of the light totals £16.something pence. The cost of postage is the same as the price of the light, and is chargeable on every item. I bought two and my bill was just over £32

That being said, it's still ridiculous value for money.

Klein_Mad_Chris was over the other night and we compared his rated 1000lumen torch against this little beauty and you couldn't tell them apart for brightness

will update next week

Author:  FluffyChicken [ Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:26 am ]
Post subject:  CREE XML XM-L T6 1200LM LED "rose"

Got mine as well (Rose coloured 16quid jobs), not used on the bike, but the beam is nice and round in the centre and the wider halo beam edge is also nice with no noticeable missing light ring. Cable is bloody long, I'm hoping the charger works either way around. Gives a nice colour light out as well.

Will compare to my ageing Smart Owl light (6W + 4W Halogen iirc) and 6V Lead battery just for anyone wanting compare to their old light.
Weight wise, the new one way nothing.

Anyone done any mods to it yet ? How waterproof is it stock ? What about the battery for keeping that dry or mounting it somewhere. (like I said not seen it on the bike yet) Works nice on the head.

Most noticeable praise, as mentioned before, is not having to switch through a flashing mode.


Anyone actually get instructions as I didn't. How is the Battery Charged?, (time taken, light indicator, auto stop ?)

Author:  JamesM [ Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:00 pm ]
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You can buy wide angle lenses for those lights which reduce the throw a bit but I think make them a more usable light. Only cost a few quid too.

Author:  twain [ Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:21 pm ]
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BobCatMax wrote:
twain wrote:

some battery life comments at some point would be nice to hear too :)
but at £8snids, i'd be inclined to just try them out myself. i do like the colour :)


right, two weeks in - to be precise 9 days of commuting, at least 10 hours of riding and I would say of those 10, 9 on low, and one on medium

still going strong, still on the same charge from the factory.

I got flashed at for having it on medium and pointing up the road rather than down on it.

somethng to bear in mind, the cost of the light totals £16.something pence. The cost of postage is the same as the price of the light, and is chargeable on every item. I bought two and my bill was just over £32

That being said, it's still ridiculous value for money.

Klein_Mad_Chris was over the other night and we compared his rated 1000lumen torch against this little beauty and you couldn't tell them apart for brightness

will update next week


thanks for that Max, good stuff. didnt realise about the postage, but should only need one for myself ;) but as you said, still can't knock it at that price anyway!

will wait to see if santa gets me one this year :P

Author:  legrandefromage [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bargain Ebay bike lights

Right!

Some long term observations on these cree style models I bought about 18 months ago:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UltraFire-WF- ... 4171e0efff

Having to commute in temperatures of around 0c to -7c, these lights showed up their weaknesses. The cold killed of the circuit operation so the torch became pretty useless. Once switched on and out on the handlebars, as the cold penetrated the torch would be comes stuck in whichever mode you happened to have it on. The glass lens is very fragile and I found mine rattled. Also as I went over potholes and bumps the damn thing would change 'modes'. I found that the part that combines the reflector and LED had come slightly loose so the glass was free to move around and rattle.

A bit of blu-tac secured it but an 'O' ring would sort this out but it wouldnt prevent the cold issue.

Battery life was unaffected, 15 miles a night and they were charged once a week.

I have trawled through ebay and have found the later models have better sealing and a more robust finish which should address some of the above issues.


I also used two of them in late summer and they were amazing. 'Medium' was more than enough to light a dark country B road with oncoming cars dipping from a fare distance. The fixed beam is well spread.

Been running these for a number of years since I started this thread and they have stood up very well: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Top-Quality-C ... 20cec33520

Standard AAA alkaline batteries last a few weeks with 1 to 2 hours use every day. The beam was just enough to see and be seen. To be seen was the most important requirement for me on a busy well lit A road.

I also have one of these on stand-by but found the battery holder useless on my road bike and will modify it sometime to suit. Finish is of very high standard when compare to the above, just let down by the rather naff nylon battery case. Chopper's idea of securing it in an innertube seems a good idea. I was able to compare these to a 2011 Exposure 6 pack, obviously not as good but for around a tenth of the money, I leave that up to you!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CREE-XML-XM-L ... 1e76f135f3

The whole reason I started this thread was due to the seemingly daft prices of some products and being a tight wad, I wanted to show that there were usable alternatives.

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bargain Ebay bike lights

My latest purchase and I'm quite impressed for £27 delivered!
I bought the 4600mAh version and high beam so far has lasted me over an hour and still going, I've yet to see how long before it cuts out.

http://bit.ly/1aaPKcY

Below are comparisons with my old Hope Vision HID and Hope Vision 1. All pictures taken with no other light source and on a iPhone 5S

HOPE VISION HID 480lumen
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HOPE VISION 1 on full beam 240lumen
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2X CREE XML claimed 5000lumen
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Low Beam
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Medium beam
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High beam
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High beam on trail
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Author:  WD Pro [ Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bargain Ebay bike lights

I have bought one of those for my sister other half for Christmas :D

WD :D

Author:  old_coyote_pedaller [ Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bargain Ebay bike lights

I bought one like that from DX, branded a Fandyfire, a couple of months back. Used it on a couple of rides and it's been OK so far. One of the rides was a 2+ hours ride at Glentress, didn't run it on high all the time, would switch it down to lower settings when not descending so don't know how long it would last constantly on high. Might get another in new year from the guy in earlier link as it's down to £24.99 and from UK so might get here quicker than 3 weeks.

Author:  FluffyChicken [ Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bargain Ebay bike lights

That clamp on the hope vision one looks like their universal clamp. You should be able to use that instead of the rubber oring things on the new lamp.

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bargain Ebay bike lights

FluffyChicken wrote:
That clamp on the hope vision one looks like their universal clamp. You should be able to use that instead of the rubber oring things on the new lamp.


I had the same thoughts but I think I would have to drill and tap the light to fit it and besides the Vision 1 is on commuter duty :-)

Author:  WD Pro [ Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bargain Ebay bike lights

I think the cheap lights are already drilled / tapped on the underside ? - It's wrapped now though so I cant check until Christmas day ... :lol:

WD :D

Author:  FluffyChicken [ Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bargain Ebay bike lights

Assuming the Twin is fixed to the clamp in the same way the Single is, then you take the padding off and undo the Allen bolt under it, then fit the Universal clamp.

The clamps are only 8quid at CRC and well worth paying for. viewtopic.php?p=1484299#p1484299

Author:  Easy_Rider [ Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bargain Ebay bike lights

That's good info, cheers :-)

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