I now were you are coming from, although i must say orange did make some grose looking frames in the old days, so it wouldnt suprise me if it was a real one, and you say he does'nt know much about the bike, IMHO he must'nt know much about bikes fullstop.....if he bought that thing!!!
Sorry guys but i just hate Orange bikes, expensive rubbish, i don't care how local they are to me ( 100yds from my house ) i would'nt buy one.
Despite owning one??
If you can't be a good example, be a horrible warning!
Current rides:1994 Orange P7 (project), 1995 Clockwork (the f-in-law's), 1996 Orange C16R (the wife's), 2007 Ltd Edition Clockwork, 2011 Orange 5 Pro, 2014 Planet X Carbon road bike
Previous rides:1993 Orange Clockwork XC Pro, 1993 Orange Clockwork XC expert, 1994 Kona Kilauea, 1995 Kona Cindercone, 1995 Orange E3, 1996 Orange P7 XT, 1997 Saracen Maxtrax, 2009 Orange Evo 8