itty bitty Orange C16R

teeny tiny orange c16r
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/classic-retro-ora ... 286.c0.m14

with a seat tube of just over 12"

would be super for one of you lots little nippers

It certainly would

It's just a size 15, that's all. Brilliant frame.

Excuse poor picture, but I built this one for my son when he was 9, he used it until he was 14. STX-RC drivetrain, except XT cranks, Z2 Lights, DH stem, HotRod bars. Now in the hands of somebody else's 9 year old.

looks a crap load smaller than a 15".
my mum has a 15" kona fire mountain and that looks about right for a 15",
but that orange does look minute in comparrison

Khane":1c68eza3 said:

looks a crap load smaller than a 15".
my mum has a 15" kona fire mountain and that looks about right for a 15",
but that orange does look minute in comparrison

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But surely you can see that it's the same as the one I built? In any case, size 15 was the smallest size of Orange. It was intended for adults or children of 5-0 to 5-4, and with a short stem and the saddle down, it's fine for a 4-10 person, trust me. And much lighter and faster than any of their friends' bikes too, which is the main thing!

Anthony":24y5380h said:

Khane":24y5380h said:

looks a crap load smaller than a 15".
my mum has a 15" kona fire mountain and that looks about right for a 15",
but that orange does look minute in comparrison

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But surely you can see that it's the same as the one I built? In any case, size 15 was the smallest size of Orange. It was intended for adults or children of 5-0 to 5-4, and with a short stem and the saddle down, it's fine for a 4-10 person, trust me. And much lighter and faster than any of their friends' bikes too, which is the main thing!

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C2C of 52.5 is ~12.5 inches (assuming the seller has measured accurately). Are you're saying that a 12.5" C2C is described by Orange as a 15"? The thing I'm less keen on though it the TT length at over 21.5, which is long for a "12.5" and probaly closer to a 15...ahhh :idea:

Crell":3k8ua5ms said:

C2C of 52.5 is ~12.5 inches (assuming the seller has measured accurately). Are you're saying that a 12.5" C2C is described by Orange as a 15"? The thing I'm less keen on though it the TT length at over 21.5, which is long for a "12.5" and probaly closer to a 15...ahhh :idea:

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Orange did not make a bike smaller than size 15.
That is one.
The C-T of my son's bike is 14.6, I imagine that equates to 12.5 C-C. Orange call it a size 15, as most makers would.
The C-C top tube according to Orange was 524mm = 20.6", the effective TT according to me is 21.7.
With the stem shown in my picture, the current owner who is 4-9 is a very happy fit on the bike

dont get me wrong im not disaggreeing with you, it just looks a crap load smaller than my mums 15" fire mountain

Khane":t8lbs1i8 said:

dont get me wrong im not disaggreeing with you, it just looks a crap load smaller than my mums 15" fire mountain

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Well, I can't really comment as there's no such thing as a size 15 Fire Mountain. But Kona say the effective top tube of a 14 Fire Mountain (C-C ST = 11) is 21.5 and of a 16 Fire Mountain (C-C ST = 13) is 22.2, so really this Orange is mid-way between those two Kona sizes, as you'd expect.

My best Kona size is 17 and I could ride the size 15 Orange happily enough with a 120 stem, a bit small but not too small to mask what a great frame it is. Incidentally, I looked up my Orange info and they actually said it was designed for 5-2 to 5-7, so I was wrong earlier. Maybe it's just the angle of the photo that makes it look smaller than it is.

My best Kona size is 17

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Me too, do you find that going up to the 18 seems to make a big difference or at least far more than you would expect.
Think that's the reason I am not too keen on Kona's for the sizing, harder to find a 17 and just not happy on the bigger one.

Incidentally my daughter had a 14in Hahanna and that really was small, so can't imagine that Orange being even tinier.