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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:24 am 
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLOCKWORK-ORA ... 46132087d6


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:55 pm 
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John wrote:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLOCKWORK-ORANGE-Frame-Fork-Shimano-XT-Rock-Shox-Mag-21s-PRICE-REDUCED-/300968609750?pt=UK_Health_Beauty_Fragrances_Women_s_Fragrances_PP&hash=item46132087d6


If that size was 21" and not 17" it would be winging its way to me. Very nice price.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:00 pm 
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^its a 19"


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:50 pm 
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Archemist wrote:
^its a 19"


Are you sure :? My 21" was 21" center to center not to the top


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:26 am 
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It's a 19". I've had/got a few from various years and they were all measured centre to top.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:31 am 
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According to Orange literature of the day the clockwork came in 15, 17, 19 and 21.

The Elite (O, prestige) came in 17, 19 and 21.

The geometry, apart from the early clockwork frames (flat top tube) was near the same for them all. The 19's have a 120mm headtube with a deifnitive gap between top and downtube as they abut. The 19's have an almost flat top tube the 17's a kona-esque slope (and the top and downtube almost touch) and the 15's almost a straight line top tube with the seat stay.

I've got an Elite in 19, Hawki and BoyOboy have a 17 (i.e. the only one smaller) and there's a few 21" on here.

As far as I know all but a few of the earliest frames (formula?) are measured c to top.

but others on here know far more than me so I'll stand corrected.

And :)

edited re earlier frames


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:21 am 
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Centre to top, I put that in the wiki a go ago with references hopefully. While I don't think the early catalogues mention this, the mid and on do.
Also 'review' measurements do this to.

They are however short in their length for their size. At least my alu-o was compared to my frames of that era.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:59 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:36 pm 
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FluffyChicken wrote:
Centre to top, I put that in the wiki a go ago with references hopefully. While I don't think the early catalogues mention this, the mid and on do.
Also 'review' measurements do this to.

They are however short in their length for their size. At least my alu-o was compared to my frames of that era.


This is my confusion not just trying to be pedantic. ( :shock: Accuse anyone of being pedantic on RB , oh the irony :lol: )

Ive a number of Oranges catalogs and it gives a nice little technical diagram with lots of little lines on it and a little table of sizes but it doesnt show the 2 points on the frame that the measurement is taken from :?
Maybe its a UK thing to do with measurement where most technical specs state center to center measuring points :?

This is why i thought it was center to center, we use this method in this country. :?



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:54 pm 
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If talking about tubes, then yes CTC else they wouldn't know where to put them, but 'frame size' is something different.

Take 19" CTT, then the top tube could go up, flat sloping, damn sloping like a girls bike or a mono section. The frame would still be the same assuming seatube to support the seat post was in the same place.

GT's, Marin... Measure to the centre so the frames tend to be large for their size.

Still it's just a guide, you need to look at that, top tube length.. even effective changes depending on the fork length... Let alone between manufacturers or models in through a range.
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