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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:25 pm 
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Didn't LGF find one of these at the tip??


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:24 pm 
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no - was a karma frame which set some tempers flairing which in turn put me off riding the damn thing.

Odd ride, not as nice as you would think, no 'twang'


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:35 pm 
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legrandefromage wrote:
no - was a karma frame which set some tempers flairing which in turn put me off riding the damn thing.

Odd ride, not as nice as you would think, no 'twang'


Indeed, you did have similar at one point though?

Shame when a 'nice' steel frame doesn't have that 'badda-bing' one expects.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:50 pm 
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same frame with some lovely touches:

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an old motobecane I had was more fun.

if it had just been a teency bit bigger.... :(

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:04 pm 
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853 can be surprisingly harsh and dead-feeling for steel.

The modern Columbus and Dedacciai steel seems much nider riding IMHO...........

Andy


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:49 pm 
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I don't THINK that 853 was ever "meant" to be "comfortable" (altho' IMO that, as subjective as it is) is more to do with geomery than material). This one that I had for a while was certainly meant for a powerful full-on RACE rider - NOT for comfort!

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Though a lot more forgiving than a Raleigh Timet (once tested as the stiffest frame on the (then) planet!).


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:12 am 
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Its nothing to do with comfort, its the twang of a good steel frame as you accelerate as fast as possible. I had a Cinelli that was fantastic, a Gazzelle that was fantastic (but too rusty) and various tip finds that have been very good but always on the small side.


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