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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:44 am 
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Like the Mack he is back.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Campagnolo-At ... 5af1fd1220

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Campagnolo-At ... 5af1fd0a12

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Campagnolo-At ... 5af1fd03f8

Colnago clubs all over these parts. To be fair to the chap the work is getting tidier in execution.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:56 am 
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I was a toolroom apprentice at 16. Mention of pantographs brought me here as I used to use one.

This is laughable. Is he doing it with a dremel? Forgive my ignorance but are the real items highly sought after then?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:12 pm 
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'If less is more, imagine how much more more would be'


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:42 pm 
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This guy is killing/ruining quality bike parts! Some fooker send him a message telling him to stop!


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:29 pm 
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oh my http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Campagnolo-A ... 5af1fd03f8


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:32 pm 
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As long as he's happy!


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:48 pm 
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The History Man wrote:
I was a toolroom apprentice at 16. Mention of pantographs brought me here as I used to use one.

This is laughable. Is he doing it with a dremel? Forgive my ignorance but are the real items highly sought after then?


If the parts were originally pantographed to match a complete bike (e.g. original Colnago pantos to go on a Colnago bike) they tend to be worth a lot more.

I think custom pantographing and/or drillium (whether done back in the day or more recently) will usually lower the value of a part.

No idea about the more baroque stuff on some of those panto and drillium sites. It must involve a lot of work hours but custom stuff is usually an acquired taste. Some of it (especially the thinned out Nuovo Record derailleur) looks like a good way to make a perfectly good part funtionally less useful, even if it is very pretty to look at.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:44 pm 
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:shock: :facepalm:

...quality stuff for the "Campagnolo 80th Anniversary – Your Stories Wanted" right there!


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:47 pm 
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So drillium is just more holes?
This stuff looks freehand? Parkinson's?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:47 pm 
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Johnsqual wrote:
The History Man wrote:
I was a toolroom apprentice at 16. Mention of pantographs brought me here as I used to use one.

This is laughable. Is he doing it with a dremel? Forgive my ignorance but are the real items highly sought after then?


If the parts were originally pantographed to match a complete bike (e.g. original Colnago pantos to go on a Colnago bike) they tend to be worth a lot more.

I think custom pantographing and/or drillium (whether done back in the day or more recently) will usually lower the value of a part.

No idea about the more baroque stuff on some of those panto and drillium sites. It must involve a lot of work hours but custom stuff is usually an acquired taste. Some of it (especially the thinned out Nuovo Record derailleur) looks like a good way to make a perfectly good part funtionally less useful, even if it is very pretty to look at.


I agree it should lower the desirability, I always go for original condition, the only exception is as you say where the bike company originally fitted their bikes with the stuff. I suspect a lot, if not most, of the engraved parts on Ebay etc are "fake" ie newly done.

I think most of the drillium stuff is really ugly though, especially the random holes and slots.

Who's buying a stem for £100-200 just because it's got a logo and letters engraved on it when the same stem in original condition goes for £10-20?


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