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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:21 pm 
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I would be willing in principle to organise some rides near here, but there are two issues:

a. not very many people look in this part of the forum, so it would make a huge difference to potential addendances if it was possible to send an invite/advert by pm to a list of people without having to send individual pms (which is very time-consuming and a strain on the max size of your sent box). I have a list of members in Brighton and wider Sussex, which I have given to Bobcatmax, but it is a question of how to make best use of it.

I am not on Facebook, but for those who are I assume that may be a very good mechanism.

b. In my particular case, I may not be a good person because I don't like early starts and I don't particularly like singletrack-based rides, such as the Big Dog course in Stanmer Park for example. I like long cross-country rides, and I realise that may put me in a minority.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:27 pm 
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you'd love the IOW then :D


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:14 pm 
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Did someone mention cake? :D

Did organise a ride at Bedgebury[1] to avoid national nuptials and excessive watching of Pippa's bottom.

Happy to do that again, Bedgebury, not watching Pippa's...[2] , but some home stuff needs to be sorted before I can commit.

[1] Has it's good points (coffee and walnut cake) and bad (price of parking).
[2] People can organise this themselves.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:39 pm 
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Some good points there Anthony.....i recived a pm from Bobcatmax about the brighton ride, i was in two minds to go or not but that was enough to make my mind up :) ...so i worked for me and may do for others ? some years ago i used to ride with another group and it can be prety disheartning when a ride is organized and then no one turns up ...usualy when its bloody cold and raining :( so keep up the good work all those trying to sort things out for the enjoyment of the rest of us
Mick :)


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:27 pm 
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I'm good to organize rides in and around the Surrey Hills starting in September.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:48 pm 
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For me this all started when I offered to do just that back in June....Now I've decided my life's too short and I'm happy to carry on riding my old bikes with my friends without all the politics and aggro that I'm paid to put up with during the week.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:46 pm 
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Hello All,

As a relative newb here, here is my take.

I have been on a few rides with the retrobike crowd and they are good people. They enjoy biking and surely thats the point of it all.

Facts are though that people get busy and there is sometimes not a lot of uptake on rides. People will get on a bike when it suits them, this is the nature of it. Unless there is a concenus of people that want to go and do x,y,z on a certain date you are not going to get good numbers.

If someone posts a 'we are doing this in 3 months' type event, everyone takes interest but then the numbers drop towards the event. Conversely, if someone wants to do a 'fancy a cycle at the weekend' then its similar.

Perhaps its worth doing a few things that are 'third sunday, every third month' where the dates are something that everyone can anticipate.

So heres perhaps a few suggestions that people could discuss:

FOFSE events: namely f*** off from South East for a few days once a year, we go do a weekend somewhere else. Wales, Scotland, France, Belgium, a nice trip that is worth the effort.

Trail days: I do like Bedgebury and can acommodate 4 bikes / people in the car - it would be a pleasure to organise runs there if people wanted to. I don't want fuel money as I would be doing this anyway. I am sure others feel the same.

Improved sharing of routes: We did the Ride with GPS section, there are only a few people able to do this via GPS but people could post there written routes in that thread so that others can benefit. We asked about this in other regional areas and perhaps the response wasn't so positive. I think this could improve site-wide as, for example, the Benelux section has a great resource on there that is more open to share. Sharing is a good thing, no point hiding all your routes to yourself - not worth bothering with a forum if that is your take, in my opinion.

Road or offroad: We seem to do less on the road, perhaps we could improve this. Or, perhaps we combine the two and just meet up for lunch when two routes co-incide. my local CTC group does this regularly, even though there are only a few active members to that.

Its a big area: South East covers a lot of ground and people aren't always wanting to go Hampshire, Kent, Reading, London - perhaps a few more reps would be an idea. Mostly the problem is transport being crap so a little more autonomy would be a good idea.

More Chat: People talk a lot on the wider forum, perhaps a dedicated chat forum for SE would be easier to get people to engage more.

Everyone has their limits: Whether biking a long way or time commitments - its going to be a lot easier if people take interest in what others are doing and if it meets their abilities - Seafront ride is a good example, not long, plenty of stops, good cameraderie, however, perhaps if someone was going to plan a bit of a ball breaker, then it would suit others.

Comms: Anthony raised a good point, we could use FB or twitter to get the word out, but if no-one is communicating on the forum, which already does these things, we are just moving the problem around. The @retrobikese twitter feed is now following more people, at one point it was following no-one. Give a few trusted people access to that account and it could convey a lot more info. Same with the forum.

Efforts of TGR and others: Much appreciated and its done for nothing so don't expect too much - but, we all use the forum so lets make an effort to help. I was not aware that TGR wasn't much avaialble at certain times, and perhaps it would be easier to help if everyone knew that, as there is a certain respect for the Area Co-ord in sorting these things out.

Retro v New: Lets just get on with biking, we know the name of the forum but I only have one 'new' MTB and 19 old road bikes. our interests are the same regardless, overall.

Forum: I would finally ask if people perceive this as an Internet Forum or a bonafide bike club. I believe it is the latter, posting on the forum is part of a bigger picture and we should understand this. Most other forums are just a place to type crap into - I thing RB is more than this, hope you all do too.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:08 pm 
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DA-EVO wrote:
Hello All,

As a relative newb here, here is my take.

I have been on a few rides with the retrobike crowd and they are good people. They enjoy biking and surely thats the point of it all.

Facts are though that people get busy and there is sometimes not a lot of uptake on rides. People will get on a bike when it suits them, this is the nature of it. Unless there is a concenus of people that want to go and do x,y,z on a certain date you are not going to get good numbers.

If someone posts a 'we are doing this in 3 months' type event, everyone takes interest but then the numbers drop towards the event. Conversely, if someone wants to do a 'fancy a cycle at the weekend' then its similar.

Perhaps its worth doing a few things that are 'third sunday, every third month' where the dates are something that everyone can anticipate.

So heres perhaps a few suggestions that people could discuss:

FOFSE events: namely f*** off from South East for a few days once a year, we go do a weekend somewhere else. Wales, Scotland, France, Belgium, a nice trip that is worth the effort.

Trail days: I do like Bedgebury and can acommodate 4 bikes / people in the car - it would be a pleasure to organise runs there if people wanted to. I don't want fuel money as I would be doing this anyway. I am sure others feel the same.

Improved sharing of routes: We did the Ride with GPS section, there are only a few people able to do this via GPS but people could post there written routes in that thread so that others can benefit. We asked about this in other regional areas and perhaps the response wasn't so positive. I think this could improve site-wide as, for example, the Benelux section has a great resource on there that is more open to share. Sharing is a good thing, no point hiding all your routes to yourself - not worth bothering with a forum if that is your take, in my opinion.

Road or offroad: We seem to do less on the road, perhaps we could improve this. Or, perhaps we combine the two and just meet up for lunch when two routes co-incide. my local CTC group does this regularly, even though there are only a few active members to that.

Its a big area: South East covers a lot of ground and people aren't always wanting to go Hampshire, Kent, Reading, London - perhaps a few more reps would be an idea. Mostly the problem is transport being crap so a little more autonomy would be a good idea.

More Chat: People talk a lot on the wider forum, perhaps a dedicated chat forum for SE would be easier to get people to engage more.

Everyone has their limits: Whether biking a long way or time commitments - its going to be a lot easier if people take interest in what others are doing and if it meets their abilities - Seafront ride is a good example, not long, plenty of stops, good cameraderie, however, perhaps if someone was going to plan a bit of a ball breaker, then it would suit others.

Comms: Anthony raised a good point, we could use FB or twitter to get the word out, but if no-one is communicating on the forum, which already does these things, we are just moving the problem around. The @retrobikese twitter feed is now following more people, at one point it was following no-one. Give a few trusted people access to that account and it could convey a lot more info. Same with the forum.

Efforts of TGR and others: Much appreciated and its done for nothing so don't expect too much - but, we all use the forum so lets make an effort to help. I was not aware that TGR wasn't much avaialble at certain times, and perhaps it would be easier to help if everyone knew that, as there is a certain respect for the Area Co-ord in sorting these things out.

Retro v New: Lets just get on with biking, we know the name of the forum but I only have one 'new' MTB and 19 old road bikes. our interests are the same regardless, overall.

Forum: I would finally ask if people perceive this as an Internet Forum or a bonafide bike club. I believe it is the latter, posting on the forum is part of a bigger picture and we should understand this. Most other forums are just a place to type crap into - I thing RB is more than this, hope you all do too.



Very well said! Some excellent points and ideas raised there, which is exactly what was asked for


Last edited by makster on Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:56 am, edited 2 times in total.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:27 pm 
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now going to stick my 2p worth in.....

I started to write, but ended up not in the spirit of pushing things forward, so I deleted it all, but do feel a little peved by the events as a personal attack for trying to keep a thread on track.

With 4 events either happening or going to happen in the rest of this year. I dont know what more I can do, perhaps ride with a broom up my ass to sweep the trail ?

I also happen to like long early morning road rides, but don't think that's going to catch on as a format for a retroride.

Communications always a issue, but its a forum you can feel free to check it when ever you want. The @retrobikese twitter was a trial, and I dident get much feedback infact non, but will continue a little longer when I have time, it was only ever intended by me as a dabble with the medium as with all these things you get what you put in, but it coems down to time. I feel for now the main method of communication is the forum. (Try @plantmanjrw if you want to follow some one on twitter.)

Da-evo raises a good point is retrobike a forum or a bike club ? iI woud say its a forum first of all, and a bike club second, but ask me in a few moments and I may have changed my mind, almost worthy of a thread of its own, we could always split this thread, but we know what happens then.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:36 pm 
retrobike rider / Gold Trader
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In regard to the twitter feed, I have another observation: It doesn't seem to follow many RB members.

TGR, If you want to keep @retrobikese for yourself, fine, but if its not following the people that are part of RB, then its not communicating with us. Set up another one that we can follow and that will follow us back, it will make for better comms.

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