SF Klein wrote:
I did read it carefully. If you knew me better, you'd know that I'm a very careful reader. It's what I get paid to do as a living.
I'm calling BS. BITD I cycled with and knew many mountain bikers. I can't think of one instance of any of us talking about Kliens, then, never mind with any reverence or desire.
The inference that I read here is that you know a large group of MTB'ers, much like the large group here on RB, and since the large group "us" never talked about Kleins, with reverence, desire, or otherwise, then surely the population at large must mimic the group of MTB'ers that you talked with BITD and thus don't hold Klein in any high regard. If I've misread this, would you please paraphrase again or PM me so I can better understand your point here?
Even now, I can only ever remember actually meeting one person in the flesh who owned a Klein (this would be in 95, when I was on holiday) and he never once talked about where he'd cycled or the rides he'd been on, any talk he had were just about the bike, how expensive it was, or it's paintjob.
Again, the point of your inference that I understood is that this 1 Klein owner who liked to babble on and on about his bike vs. actually riding it, somehow represents the Klein community at large. If that's not what you meant, could you please confirm you meant this only as an anecdote? Or if you had another point, could you PM me to let me know what you meant?
You've quoted what I've written, it's YOU that's extrapolating.
The point I was making, in counter to Klein's being the bike of the 90s and of such huge significance to mountain biking / bikes over those years, was simple - for a make supposedly so influencial, the people I knew weren't talking about them - that's all.
I'm not suggesting that's a representative sample size, or indicative of any greater numbers, merely that if Kleins were of such importance in the 90s, as was being asserted (ie that which I was replying to) you'd have expected I'd have had or heard some discussions about them.
Which leads me on to the other point you raised.
I was vaguely aware of Klein bikes, BITD, but only really because I'd seen the odd advert for them in bike mags.
The only discussion I ever had about them, was with the guy I mentioned. That was all I was saying.
There was no point of my "inference", it would have been your
inference, if I had have been doing anything, I would have been implying - but you know this, you do this for a living.
So over all those years, from around 1988, 'till joining Retrobike, I've only ever heard or had discussions about them either here, or the one person I actually met who owned one.
And all of your botched accusations is what happens when you try and over analyse something, with a pre-existing bias.
By all means, argue with what I've written, you know, the actual words that were written - those things. But: 1) they were written countering a point you're not even giving context for, in favour of what it seems is your preferred bias 2) as a result your
inferences are merely white noise.
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