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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:49 pm 
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Oh dear it's all gone pear shaped :roll:

Lovely bikes both of them ,congratulations chaps


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:04 pm 
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ameybrook wrote:
makster wrote:
Is this project any less valid than buying some carbon tubes and getting someone else to build them into a frame? (which involves cutting a perfectly good frame into pieces, and results in a bike that's too fragile to ride)
I know which one gets my respect!


Knew this was coming. Same materials and hands performing the labor. The only difference being time. Pretty large difference (IMO) than taking a bunch of new tubes, throwing them together, and putting a reproduced decal on it.

The Breezer project is what it is - a replica. But does it have a place in BOTM alongside true vintage MTBs?



Some of the comments, to my mind, are a little unfair I feel.

I certainly don't see any real difference in building a REPLICA yeti c26, to pete build this by hand himself at home.

to be fair, BOTH are replicas, the Yeti C26 didn't start out in life as a c26, therefore it isn't an original C26, its a replica.

but then, I have even had it said, a repainted bike, is not original its a replica.

theres always going to be sum bullshit every month, this is no different.

Carry on.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:10 pm 
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No not original paint on the Dagger its Lamborghini green here is another pic of the paint match for you, looks stunning up close 8)



Beautiful, but unfair on the others me thinks, and isn't that what a link to a build thread is for.... :?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:22 pm 
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All sorted deleted photos and added a link to my build thread, never thought about that :lol: more room created now 8)


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:01 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:09 pm 
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Fair comments.

Biglev, that's a stunning Homage to a great retrobike, Kudos... But to have 'Breezer' on something that isn't just doesn't work for me. A bit like The ferrari replicas based on a Toyota MR2; Just not the real thing.

Still a good looking build. :D


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:13 pm 
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sinnerman wrote:
to be fair, BOTH are replicas

Exactly.

ameybrook wrote:
Knew this was coming. Same materials and hands performing the labor. The only difference being time. Pretty large difference (IMO) than taking a bunch of new tubes, throwing them together, and putting a reproduced decal on it.

Take a bunch of carbon tubes, and throw money at them, or take a bunch of steel tubes, and throw skill at them.....

The C26 replicas are fantastic, and I take my hat off to you for the work that you've put into building yours up.
I just think it's a bit short sighted to then belittle all of the hard work put in by someone to learn the skills required to build something from scratch.
Anyway, is that all the entries so far?? :D


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:38 pm 
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mkozaczek wrote:
makster wrote:
Is this project any less valid than buying some carbon tubes and getting someone else to build them into a frame? (which involves cutting a perfectly good frame into pieces, and results in a bike that's too fragile to ride)
I know which one gets my respect!


I know Mike already said it, but it's not "some carbon" tubes, we're talking all original materials. Also, the bikes are not too fragile to ride, talk to Rumpfy about his latest air session on his C-26...


So far, not too fragile to ride.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:00 pm 
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There's clearly a difference between new tubes put together to an old design by a third party and old tubes put together in an old design by the person who originally built that design. To my mind the Herting C-26 "replicas" are, to all intents and purposes, somewhat belated additions to the original "production run" (such as it was). What they and biglev's notBreezer have in common is that they didn't exist as complete frames until relatively recently.

TBH I'm not sure about having Breezer logos on it given that it isn't one, but if Joe's cool with it that's good enough for me :) And I love the end result, whatever the name on the downtube. Valid? I guess technically not, but to me it would seem slightly mean-spirited to exclude it.

Love the Dagger too :)


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:11 pm 
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The replica / time & materials debate is all very well, but a big part of the appeal of Biglev's build is that he's trained himself to build it from scratch: not just ordered parts and paint.

The C26s are like asking an architect to build you a house like the famous one they did for someone else before.

The handmade replica is like building that house yourself.

Both are imitative and the results are similar; the difficulty level in the self-build (when, like this, it is done to a high standard) takes the respect to new levels. So definitely a worthy new dimension to the hallowed format that is BoTM.


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