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Who has the best of British?
Poll ended at Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:46 pm
videojetman- Dynatech 2%  2%  [ 4 ]
nevadasmith- Bigfoot Smokestone 5%  5%  [ 9 ]
makster-1990 Overbury's Pioneer 8%  8%  [ 16 ]
biglev-Roberts Peugeot 7%  7%  [ 14 ]
dendy-Saracen Kili Comp 96 5%  5%  [ 10 ]
Rob Aitken- Dave Lloyd 3%  3%  [ 5 ]
legrandefromage-Harry Quinn 7%  7%  [ 13 ]
firedfromthecircus-Cleland Aventura number 5 6%  6%  [ 11 ]
mrlee-1985 Dawes cougar 2%  2%  [ 3 ]
Giom6-Zinn Z-classic 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Easy_Rider-'94 Dawes Special Edition 2%  2%  [ 4 ]
Dawes-Man-Dawes "The Edge eXTRa" 2%  2%  [ 4 ]
H-Fuquay 2%  2%  [ 4 ]
danson67-1985 Highpath 3%  3%  [ 6 ]
reanimation-'94 Prestige 2%  2%  [ 3 ]
NeilM-1990 Roberts White Spider 2%  2%  [ 4 ]
Paul Eggleton-Pace 5%  5%  [ 10 ]
ShiftySteve-91 Aluminium O 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
JeRky-Chas Roberts D.O.G.S.B.O.L.X 13%  13%  [ 25 ]
Mr Panda-1995 Orange P7 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
mikee-Pace 2%  2%  [ 3 ]
sinnerman-Hardisty/Nike 20%  20%  [ 38 ]
terryhfs-m-trax 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 191
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Location: Wherever it is, I'm being just that little bit more Lance
Makster's Overburys. It looks shiny in the pics but I've seen it very muddy. 8)


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Another for Makster's Overburys. No bling, no nonsense.


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The first time I had to make a choice between a British Cleland bicycle and the American designed mountain bikes was back in 1984. I chose American and bought a copy of a Tom Ritchey design, a British built F.W. Evans ATB.

I guess that the American designs looked more modern and sporty. And like Tom Ritchey, I started out as a road cyclist and knew little about off-road riding. I then took my new mountain bike along on the Geoff Apps led Wendover rides and it immediately became obvious that the Cleland design was more suited to English off-road riding in every regard. It was only on road in the dry that my mountain bike had a slight speed advantage. By then Ron Kitching had deliberately forced Cleland Cycles Ltd out of business but I was lucky enough to buy an old Cleland frame and build it up with Geoff's help.

I still ride both mountain bikes and Clelands. For me the Cleland is the serious off-road bike of choice whilst I prefer mountain bikes for rides were most of the riding is on-road or on smother trails and towpaths.

Thanks to Ron Kitching ans Co, Geoff Apps' Cleland became the off-road bicycle that mountain bikers never had the chance to try out for themselves. Even today, experienced riders pleasantly surprised with the experience of riding a Cleland. Bellow is the recent reaction of a RetroBike rider.


mikee wrote:
"lord apps ...
been thinking of how to word my apprasial of sir geoff's bicycle
went thru the engineering slant then the flowery prose
in the end i thought id tell it as it is
i caught up with geoff on one of the early climbs ,i complimented him on the bike , and his reply included the words "want "and" go" in it
jeff looks a bit smaller than me , but it seemed to fit fine , so when i mastered the technique of mounting the steed i was off (geoff later gave a demo of the moving off bit)
as an engineer i'm not a sceptic with most things ,including this bike
but i was not prepared for the experience
the nearest i can get to is , you know that time when you've packed up
your rear wheel drive car in the wet field and your trying to get to the exit road slippy slidey no traction type thing
then some idiot in a landy is driving about up and down thing just because
they can ?
thats what the clellands like ,i rode it up the trail a bit then rode over a grassy bit between 2 trails , with no problems , very little body shift is required you just turn the pedals and it goes up ,well anything
the (i assume )chris bell egg rings went un-noticed until someone pointed
them out , obviously done right ,like the rest of the bike
as for speed on it ,well i dont know as geoff wanted it back for the down bits , but he looked smooth and fast on the bits i saw
and the "lovely hill" as he called it ,i missed him out climbing everyone
all in a lovely fella and a cracking bike , i hope you make some more sir

so i met a legend , rode his bike ,and found a new hero
top day out i'd say"

mike

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewto ... &start=105

Even with the large number of mountain bike styles currently available you cannot buy anything that challenges what a mountain bike should be as much as the Cleland. The time when you can buy an off-road bike based on Cleland principles is long overdue.

Of all the bikes to chose from here I can promise that it is the handling of the Cleland and the Highpath that would most surprise you and challenge your preconceptions.


Last edited by GrahamJohnWallace on Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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GrahamJohnWallace wrote:
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Of all the bikes to chose from here I can promise that it is the handling of the Cleland and the Highpath that would most surprise you and challenge your preconceptions.



Ahem... :P I'll mention the greeny we discussed as it may have a link to Cleland/ Highpath:

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Please...you're kidding me with the Cleland Schmeland crapola

we are all dumber after reading that long winded, America vs England burst of air...

My bike floats in the bogs, and pedals by itself on Tralfamador and Remulak


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tvcreative wrote:
Please...you're kidding me with the Cleland Schmeland crapola

we are all dumber after reading that long winded, America vs England burst of air...

My bike floats in the bogs, and pedals by itself on Tralfamador and Remulak


Unfortunately you'll never understand how dumb that statement really is as Clelands are so spectacularly rare you'll be very lucky to ever see one, let alone ride one.

I have ridden one, and I can tell you that they are the proper "mountain bike", not just converted beach cruisers we've been riding all this time.


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tvcreative wrote:
Please...you're kidding me with the Cleland Schmeland crapola

we are all dumber after reading that long winded, America vs England burst of air...



I assure you that I am trying to kid no one.

But having made everyone dumber, I would love to hear a concise explanation as to why you believe my "crapola" is so misguided.

Have I misunderstood the laws of physics?

Or am I simply guilty of expressing something that challenges received wisdom?


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tvcreative wrote:
Please...you're kidding me with the Cleland Schmeland crapola

we are all dumber after reading that long winded, America vs England burst of air...

My bike floats in the bogs, and pedals by itself on Tralfamador and Remulak


You have to ride it to believe it.

Two blokes in their sheds develop a bicycle for their native country's riding conditions - one gets ignored and forever treated as a eccentric, the other as some sort of god despite both just designing for the same goal.

'Go figure'


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What a splendid opportunity for a detailed critique of design and manufacturing philosophies in different national economic and social settings and contexts!

But (my) life is too short!


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Since this is essentially a beauty contest we should also ask the entrants to give their thoughts on promoting world peace.


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