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Coolwall Jan 2011 - Shimano MTB groupsets
Cool 62%  62%  [ 98 ]
Uncool 38%  38%  [ 61 ]
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 Post subject: Shame
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:44 pm 
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That's a shame

I was already for getting into a big blazer of barney with you, Al

But it's cooler to be cool

So you've seen may cards so to speak, what does Al have in his hand?

Treat us to some pics too, if you got 'em


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 Post subject: Re: Shame
PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:51 pm 
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hydorah wrote:
That's a shame

I was already for getting into a big blazer of barney with you, Al

But it's cooler to be cool

So you've seen may cards so to speak, what does Al have in his hand?

Treat us to some pics too, if you got 'em


I've never had a Mountain Bike.

al. :(


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:06 pm 
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Only joking. :roll:

Just for you.

This is the most Shimanoey bike I could find.

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al. :D


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:46 pm 
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al wrote:
Only joking. :roll:

Just for you.

al. :D


Just for me,

Cheers, Al

But how does that help your Shimano loathing thing?

- If you just tuned in, Al thinks XT is ugly crap and DX is plain S**T

So, what about all your non Shimano awesomeness you must have there at Al towers?


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hydorah wrote:
al wrote:
Only joking. :roll:

Just for you.

al. :D


Just for me,

Cheers, Al

But how does that help your Shimano loathing thing?

- If you just tuned in, Al thinks XT is ugly crap and DX is plain S**T

So, what about all your non Shimano awesomeness you must have there at Al towers?


not sure who you are talking too?

I have PM'd you regarding this matter! I'm not about to post my bike history in here.

al. :D


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al wrote:
hydorah wrote:
al wrote:
Only joking. :roll:

I have PM'd you regarding this matter! I'm not about to post my bike history in here.

al. :D


I wonder why not? I didn't ask you for your CV or your bank details or an itemised list

Just some pics where you had put something together, yourself that does fit your criteria of awesomeness and cool

You know RetroBikes?


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hydorah wrote:
al wrote:
hydorah wrote:
al wrote:
Only joking. :roll:

I have PM'd you regarding this matter! I'm not about to post my bike history in here.

al. :D


I wonder why not? I didn't ask you for your CV or your bank details or an itemised list

Just some pics where you had put something together, yourself that does fit your criteria of awesomeness and cool

You know RetroBikes?


Maybe because this is a thread about shimano groupsets and not al's picture library.

I have sent you a few bike pix.

If you would like more just let me know?

al. :D


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:17 pm 
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Thanks for the entertainment.
No seriously...this has been a strangely entertaining read.

Back to is shimano cool .....
Shimano is very good functionally and some of it looks good, but it doesn't look spectacular in my opinion. It all looks the same. I am afraid I am probably being quite narrow minded, but for me cool equates to desirable ...and my idea of desirable is a) appearance being both different and attractive and/or b) function and reliability being so much beyond anything else available c) both.

Shimano's prevalence in the market does not preclude it from being cool...but it does make it harder (see below about its standard). I think other manufacturers could appear cool to me more easily because they are less prevalent and should find it easy to appear different. Yet Sram is also functional but I don't desire that either. I think that is because, for the most part, it doesn't look different enough to shimano kit. Strangely I do think the x0 chainset looks good and I can't say exactly why, maybe it just looks different enough from other kit.

Shimano has set a good standard that would require it to better itself significantly in order to be cool, and it doesn't seem to me to be doing that in either appearance or function. It seems to progress in very small steps of innovation. Possibly steps that are too "safe" to be cool. Innovations from shimano seem to usually (but not always) be fairly small steps to me. Big Japanese companies seem to work likes this (brings to mind something said about toyota in formula1 about their cars being compromised by being designed in meetings by too many participants).

I can't think of a current shimano part that is cool, but I do appreciate that shimano makes good bike parts and without some of its innovations cycling would be a worse place.
The innovations that I think really made a difference and which I think came from shimano are:
indexed gears
hyperglide
underbar thumbies (once they had got beyond some of the early clunky sti anyway).
I feel these innovations were cool because they made significant leaps forward in function. However I have come to expect this level of function now, so just because the modern shimano equipment I have offers this function doesn't mean it is cool now.

So I find myself sitting on the fence. I can't vote current shimano parts cool because I don't desire them and they don't seem to offer significant leaps forward in function. To be uncool they would have to be poor (or below current standards) in function or appearance. I can't vote them uncool because I use them and appreciate they work well enough.

I now vote myself uncool for thinking so hard about this and not being able to choose between the two options. Good night ;-)


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:02 am 
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I'm saying cool, mainly because I don't see anything shimano makes as particularly uncool, bit then they have made some really cool stuff, like most XTR bits, and that gold lx set 8)


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