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 Post subject: Gios Lite c2000
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:05 pm 
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Yet another probable Gios fake. This was advertised locally to me for a price that would suggest it's not a genuine 90's Gios so I went along for a look having done loads of internet research on the marque.

The seller was a nice guy. Keen cyclist who had a couple of nice bikes in the garage including a Vitus. He apparently bought this frame about 12 years ago from a reputable dealer advertising in a magazine and he believes it to be genuine. He sent it away to be re-painted and had the mudguard braze ons added for the Scottish weather. Extra bottle holder bosses were also added and the guy doing the work seemingly added a pump thingy unasked. He also added the wee rings on the head tube to help avoid cable rub. The seller assures me there was a Columbus sticker on it when he got the frame. Good story but I'm not convinced.

Bike is 57cm c-t and top tube is 54.5cm c-c.
Forks have sloping shoulders with Gios panto (or engraving)
Also has Gios panto at bb and cut outs underneath.
Dropouts are not drilled or marked
Seat post is 27.2mm Campy
BB is Campy
Cranks have a Campy crest on them and the big ring is Campy
Stem is adjustable.
Everything else is Shimano 105/RX100 mix
Weighs 10.5kg according to my bathroom scales

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:51 pm 
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Hello,

To me, the tops of seat stays do not look right. Here's some pictures of
a (hopefully geniune) Gios professional that has quite distinctive and pantographed seat stays:

http://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/VINTAGE-GIO ... 0773141899

Johnny


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:06 pm 
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Yep , I've seen loads of photos of frames that's why I have my doubts.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:08 pm 
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Gios have a section on their site (It's all Italian but translate with Google) where you can upload images of close up areas that will determine if it is genuine. I did this with my Super Record & received confirmation from them, that it was genuine. Try that...


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:19 pm 
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Nice looking frame whatever it's origin. Seems a bit overkill to have a pump peg behind the head tube and one on the seat stay. Which one did the respray guy add?

Mark.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:21 pm 
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Daft question, but where does the other end of the pump go? I can't see a second pump peg with my 1950's vision LOL

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:25 pm 
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He apparently added the one on the seat stay , and I can't see where the other end goes either.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:26 pm 
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daccordimark wrote:
Nice looking frame whatever it's origin.


If it is a reasonable price and you like it, you could always just buy it and ride it. Depends if it has to be a real Gios (plus, if there are doubts about it, you might have trouble selling it on later...)


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:26 pm 
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Forgot to mention , it has the proper metal badge on the head tube.

I bought it anyway for what I think is a reasonable price even if it's not genuine.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:34 pm 
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Re: the top of the seat stays

yes the 70s and 80s Torino had distinctive top eyes but it seems later Gios frames didn't have that type:

https://secure.flickr.com/photos/giosti ... 648377214/

http://vintagewheeler.blogspot.se/2010/ ... italy.html

The frames looks good to me, nothing about it looks out of place, it's not the usual low-end frames with big name transfers stuck on type of fake. Although the seat stays are not exactly the same as the one in the links.

I guess Gios frames have Italian threaded BBs. 10.5 kg is probably about right as it has mudguards and that stem, plus the other parts are prob not the lightest.


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