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 Post subject: Dawes identification
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:35 pm 
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Hi all, I'm new to the forum as I wanted some help....

I have found an old abandoned Dawes which I have been given permission have.

Just out of curiosity I would like to know what model it is, initially I did think it was lot older but it has a welded steel frame and weinmann bakes which leads me to think it could be relatively new.

on the other hand it is 5 speed with a cottered continental crank and campag non-indexed down-tube shifter.

Could it be that the bike is just a miss match of parts? or was there a Dawes model with these standard

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Thanks, Sam


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:37 pm 
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Does it say "Medallion" on the top tube? There was a Dawes Medallion in 1963. See
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1963-DAWES-BI ... 0703500242
At least some of the parts look more like mid-late 70s to me, so could be a mish-mash.
Nick


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:24 pm 
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Wow, that was quick thanks.

Yes it does say medallion, I thought that was just the better spec of the same model version, I didn't realise it was the actual model.

Thanks for your help.
Sam


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:29 pm 
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Looks like it has cleaned up really nicely. Are the wheels OK?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:03 pm 
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Nice find... 8)


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:05 pm 
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Unfortunately the wheels were ok, I got the rear out to clean, it has a few small kinks but I think I could have straightened them, I left the front in there for that night to save space in my room but within a few hours and a kind soul decided to bend it in half for me. How kind! So I have just ebayed some 700c with 6 speed free wheel.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:01 pm 
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Bloody students? :wink:

If the original wheels were 27 x 1 1/4", you might have a bit of a problem with brake reach with the 700c wheels. Looks like you might just have enough reach on the front, but can't see for the back (no brake block). 700c rims are a bit smaller diameter than 27", and if this is 60s, it was almost certainly built for 27". Hopefully it will work out.

I just realised that the frame looks like it is fillet brazed (no lugs) apart from the nice ornate lugs at the front. Fillet brazing was reasonably unusual (though certainly not unheard of) in 60s --- nice.

Good luck with restoring it.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:49 pm 
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This looks like a similar if not the same frame:

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33370

and makes me realise that the front of your frame is fillet brazed as well (they're not lugs). Apparently, the headbadge suggests late 50s-early 60s as well.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:46 pm 
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Ok so have just looked at the frame and noticed there is a number stamped on the rear that reads HS9125 is this the serial number from Dawes? And does anyone know where I can look it up?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:20 pm 
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Dawes frame numbers appear to be unhelpful from what I have read. It looks a little like (but not quite like) a Red Feather from ca. 1964:

http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/D ... eather.jpg

suggesting that early 60s is a likely age. The rear brake cable routing is more like a Realmrider from the same catalogue:

http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalogs/D ... mrider.jpg

Neither quite fits the bill though.


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