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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:53 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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Location: The Bottom Of The Cotswolds
Hi,

A friend kindly gave me this frame to knock together a fixie for winter training. After spending yesterday stripping and wirebrushing off a really thick layer of what I guess was fairly modern thick two-pack paint, I was amazed to find this rather ornate and distinctive lug-work underneath. I guess whoever carried out the respray took it back to bare metal, as there was not the slightest hint of transfers/decal underneath the paint even though I was very careful with the Nitromors.

I've spent a few hours going crossed-eyed at every lug-work image I can find on the web, but not found anything that looks like my frame. I'm resigned to the fact that it's next to impossible to ID the manufacturer, but a very rough date of when this style of frame would have been current would be handy so that I could fit it out with a period groupset.

These are the clues I have:

1. There must have been a large headtube badge at some point judging by the rivet holes left at the front (see pics).

2. The fork drop-outs are stamped Campagnolo Brev and have 166 (or 991!) stamped on the steerer, although the forks may not be contemporary/original as the lugs are quite different.

3. The BB shell has the large serial number 25437 stamped into it, as well as (faint) NERVEX 51° 64° D222E38

I took it to my LBS today who thought there were similarities with early Claude Butlers.

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Many thanks

Paul


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:58 pm 
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and that is why older lugged frames are nice !!

long may they continue


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:15 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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No idea. However the Frame number ties in with Rattrays Scot, but I haven't seen that seat stay or drop out finish on a scot before.

Have a look over the frame for other indications and check against info here.

http://www.flying-scot.com/core/identify.html


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:04 am 
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Very nice.

It'll be interesting to see the geometry when it's got some wheels on


I'd say age wise it could be 50s, possibly earlier(?)

http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/builders.html

^ Maybe worth a sift through, if you haven't checked this site yet!


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:38 am 
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I looked at that frame and for some reason it has "Mercian" written all over it...not sure why but just a feeling.

Try getting in contact and see if they know about it :)

Shaun


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:21 am 
Dirt Disciple

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Some good leads that I'll be following up today!

Thanks for all your replies - much appreciated.

Paul


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:19 am 
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Paul - sorry to hijack your thread but if you don't mind me asking, how did you go about stripping the paint? You seem to have done a good job - I have a frame I want to strip as I'm wondering if there are hidden serial numbers under the crappy recent coat that someone has put on it, and I want to get it reprayed in a more fetching colour.

Beautiful lugs - I hope you find the answer and a nice headbadge!


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:56 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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Midlife wrote:
I looked at that frame and for some reason it has "Mercian" written all over it...not sure why but just a feeling.

Try getting in contact and see if they know about it :)

Shaun


Wish it did, It would make life much easier :lol: Seriously, thanks for the tip - I'll give it a go.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:02 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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Rich34 wrote:
Paul - sorry to hijack your thread but if you don't mind me asking, how did you go about stripping the paint? You seem to have done a good job - I have a frame I want to strip as I'm wondering if there are hidden serial numbers under the crappy recent coat that someone has put on it, and I want to get it reprayed in a more fetching colour.

Beautiful lugs - I hope you find the answer and a nice headbadge!


A pint of Nitromors, which softened (but didn't strip) the paint, then once I was sure there were no decals/transfers underneath by careful scraping, I attacked it with a an angle-grinder armed with a wire brush plus a drill with a softer wire-brush for around the lugs. To be honest, it took so long it would probably have been better to have had it professionally grit-blasted! Still needs a lot of work with some fine-grade WetnDry and a Scotchbrite before it's good enough for refinishing.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:34 pm 
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Many thanks for the advice - much appreciated. I'm sure my local paint shop can probably strip it but I just like the idea of rubbing away and seeing some serial numbers emerge!


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