Re: Re:
torqueless":27a4t2op said:
Both the seat tube and down tube decals on Allen's Championship are noticeably further towards the BB than those on the Championship in the picture linked to by Midlife upthread. It might look OK on a bare frame but it won't look right when the components go on. Not to me, anyway.
Allen has done this before, on other bikes, and it has been commented on, so it's not like he's unaware of his tendency. I know how it happens because I've done it myself. IMO he got things right on his Lejeune, and I told him so.
Anyway, it's not my business to tell people where to put their decals- as Krishnamurti pointed out, if you effectively say to someone: "You haven't changed. Why not?" it is violence.
I'm not sure about the plural and how my Raleigh Record amounts to a tendency as that's the only one I recall being commented on but I'll go with it. As I replied at the time I took some measurements from the original decals that were on the frame so I doubt its far out from the original placement on my particular frame but it could well be incorrect and if it is fair enough. Also my Record it would seem wasn't a UK market frame which may or may not explain a difference.
Like most here I will happily take criticism when it is constructive and above all helpful but your original comment was neither, it came across as condescending and pompous with a resounding whiff of keyboard warrior about it and I will admit rather got my back up.
The quoted above is only slightly better but to address this one I disagree, the decals on these bikes move around quite a bit when you look at images of the production bikes so it would seem there's quite a bit of tolerance when it comes to decal placement across the production frames.
Had you asked I would have happily explained the reasoning for my particular placement choices, so to correct that my frame had no original decals to reference and with help from this forum I'd worked out my frame was a 1979 model Championship with brazed on top tube guides and all the images I found of those show different placement to the catalogue image so:
The seat tube decals as far as I can see are correct spacing wise in relation to the images I found of later production bikes which differ from the catalogue image by quite a lot and my placement I feel is right when compared to images of later production bikes with top tube cable guides.
The down tube decal also moves around and changes in size a little across the images I looked at, it's reference in most cases though is the upper bottle cage boss so that is what I went with, although I do think the Lloyds decal is very slightly smaller than the various originals which doesn't help with placement, its the same as they already offered for the Autograph and size wise is correct on that but is quite possibly not for the Championship.
The Championship Logo on the top tube which Lloyds didn't actually have in their catalogue but made up from my size estimates does seem to have come out quite well, again this one seems to move around a little on the production bikes but it seems its reference is the first cable guide on the later bikes with brazed on top tube cable guides, so again this is what I went with.
After all this the only real error as far as I can see is the lower band on the seat tube being upside down which I did miss and the eagle eyed Peachy spotted. (Take a house point that man.)
