Another project looms!! DH orientated!! update!! 13/08/12

Thanks Jonnyboy! It seems that I have to go for a 66 then! Not really a punishment, is it? One last question though, how are the sizes on the 66? I see now sizes like medium and large, but the ads from the 66 are often quoting 16" or 18". On the Orange site there are no seatpost measurements.... I'm am 6'1, so were there 20" frames?

yeah they did do 20" frames, Orange measure centre to top so they are small for the quoted size but remember if you're putting a long down hill fork on then you might prefer the 18".

i am 5'9" and i also ride a 2008 ST4 in an 18" but the patriot 66 is a 16" which is better for downhill and general abuse riding for me.

hope that helps