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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:43 pm 
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capitanfigueras wrote:
Looking for some speaker cable. Only need 2/3m. WHY?


I have a few lengths of cheap-as-chips Tandy stuff you can have for a fiver plus postage.

Alternatively if you want to spend money I have approx 2x 2.5m of Linn K400 biwire cable, banana plugs fitted at one end of each cable (ie 8 plugs) - £85 posted

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2x 3m(approx) Cable Talk 3.1 biwire cable (again 8 plugs) - £45 posted

Let me know if any use :D


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:24 pm 
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i-am-iron-man wrote:
Hi y'all

Long-term lover of the hi-fi thread, first time poster.

Looking for thoughts and advice. I have ran the same set-up since the 90's and never had any inclination to change anything: Naim CD3, NAIT3, a pair of Musical Technology speakers and a REL Q-Bass. The REL has been unplugged for a while due to its menacing effects on my neighbours.
However, my musical habits have changed and I am tentatively thinking of making changes to my set-up. I no longer use my CD player since building a media PC and adding a HRT Music Streamer II DAC. In fact, since building my HTPC it has made CD, DVD and Blu Ray completely redundant and most of my media has been either hidden away or jettisoned completely. I never thought I'd end up embracing soulless, heartless FLAC files but I'm not terribly obsessive over sound reproduction, and this means I have ended up with a huge and more diverse selection of music - and isn't enjoying the music the whole point?

My query:
I have been toying with buying new speakers. Mine look tired and I have been looking at them for years on end, and I suspect I might be missing out by holding onto them. I've been scouring the interweb for Mission 752 and 753 Freedoms, principally because these were completely unaffordable at the time and now people seem keen on getting them out of their houses for the sort of money I wouldn't miss. I'd probably be able to ditch the subwoofer completely too. On the other hand this would create two problems: these speakers seem to like a reasonable amount of wattage and my Naim only produces 30W, so I'd probably need a new amplifier, and I don't know if I can part with my current speakers or my NAIT!

The speakers are Musical Technology Kestrels, sold to my by Graham at Hull's Zen Audio. He really liked them for the price and I loved the quirky, skinny floorstanders (although you really need a subwoofer to partner the 5" bass / mid drivers). So I am thinking, as a secondary option: dismantle the Kestrels and replace the drivers with posher, more upmarket examples, and at the same time have the cabinets re-finished to replace the tired (and hideous) black ash. These looked great when I lived in a bedroom at my parents house and also looked great in my university houses, but these days they look - well - like bedroom and university speakers.

This would not be a DIY project. I work full-time and when I'm home my audio gear is on pretty much constantly, so I don't have the time to invest in getting it right. I know someone that can re-finish the cabinets - but as for replacing the internals, I have no clue and do not want to spend hours researching.

So:
Is anyone able to point me in the direction of how I decide what specification drivers I should get (starting from how I measure the size / fitting??) and then how do I buy a crossover that is suitable without having to design one myself (there is no way I would ever attempt this). I've seen ready-build crossovers but I have no idea whatsoever what I am looking at!

Alternatively, anyone looking to part with a decent pair of 753 Freedoms?


Hmmm...

The Freedoms are not as good as the original 753. Sorry. The tweeter used really took away the forwardness that sold the 753 by the container load.

The original 753 was rated at between 25w and 150w but will happily sit with a 250 amplifier. They were 6 Ohm.

As for your original speakers' drive units - whats wrong with them? If the surrounds are ok and the cones themselves appear sound, then there is very little reason to replace them. It is very rare for a driver to deteriorate at the cone, it is nearly always the surround, especially if foam has been used. Butyl rubber stays pliable and 'fresh' for decades unless exposed to direct sunlight for years. The only speaker where this doesnt hold true is for some of the old KEF Reference series - the internal bass drivers literally used to flap themselves apart.

You can refresh the existing crossover by replacing the capacitors with matching new ones - very easy. Beyond that, cabinets can be refreshed with a new coat of paint or vinyl wrap and so on.

A small sub might help reinforce the low end - plenty about

As for amplification, Naim has its own 'sound' and its own way of doing things, 'new' isnt quite what it was unless you have deep pockets to match the Naim... Sure there is plenty of cheap amplification about but older does seem to sound better - just look at the prices of top end UK and Japanese amps. Even a lot of the budget integrateds of a few decades ago fetch silly money when compared to new.

Like you, I havent played more than one or two CDs in 10 years since I went over to storing it all on hard drives. PC's and laptops are very noisy and the sound can be very compressed but an off-board or quality sound card sorts this.

At home, I am currently running 3 systems side by side, much to the missus' annoyance!

1 is the TV, it has its own built in amp so runs some very sexy and efficient aluminium Technics SB-F2 with a small sub hidden away. This makes the TV easy to use for the missus when she's glued to True Movies or Judge Judy.

2 is the home cinema system comprising of a battered TAG McLaren Audio AV32R prototype processor and DAC (VERY high quality - despite its age, I'm loath to part with it as I have yet to find anything that does a better job), equally battered Mission 753, a bizarre and bonkers 150w per channel Kenwood power amp, Bose Accustimass for the surrounds and a little Aiwa 60w power amp. I used to run a huge JVC PL-10 power amp but as this ballooned in value a few years back I decided to sell it :oops:

http://www.thevintageknob.org/jvc-M-L10.html

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3 is a basic BOSE 301 III/ Technics SU-V6 and an iPod dock

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I have yet to find a speaker to replace the 753, mine are now 20 years old. A naughty Linn power amp blew the tweeters so there are some Nikko drive units in their until I can source something else.

The Bose system sounds great. I have always liked the Bose 'sound' and the mate well with big old Japanese amps. I might get some 901s one day.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:43 pm 
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Anyone near Chelmsford fancy some nice Missions.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mission-737R- ... 35cadc3133


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:53 pm 
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I'm about to put some items on eBay, but I thought I'd put some of them here first just in case there's any interest. Can supply pics if required.

Marantz CD6000OSE KI Ken Ishiwata Signature CD player. Immaculate and very little used. In original packaging with remote, book etc. £125.

Pair Gale 4i floorstanding speakers. Excellent unmarked condition. Bi-wireable. Dry-sand filled. Black, in original packaging Heavy! £50


Audiolab 8000C MM/MC preamp. Good condition and fine-sounding pre. £80 SOLD

Pair NAD 902 power amps. Stereo/bridgeable (Bridged Mode Continuous output power into 8ohms 90W). Good, with book. £80 the pair. SOLD

Rega Planar 3 with RB200 arm. Excellent condition throughout BUT motor slows after a few minutes so needs replacement. Easy fix. £50 SOLD



Cheers, Steve


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:10 pm 
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Hi chap, I'll have the Planar off you.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:08 pm 
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i will take the amps off you please steve. will pm


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:31 pm 
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I've seen people on here getting down to component level with their hi-fi projects. So, this is a quick plug for a website of mine that I have been working on for a few months now, with plenty of 70s and 80s components for sale.
I have even had mail from the states expressing delight at the availability of some hard to find items, not to mention the pound shop the prices.
There will also be a few sound related items popping up over the next month, mostly pro audio, but there will be a smattering a vintage hi-fi thrown in for good measure.
Enough banter, go check it out http://www.OneOneTwo.com I look forward to your feedback. :D


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:05 am 
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Cool.

It needs a discussion forum so 15 pages of arguments can be devoted entirely to the merits of a Russ Andrews power lead in a Rotel sytem...


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:48 am 
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And ten pages for onkyo owners to complain about groundloop buzz from hdmi leads


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:24 pm 
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That's cos Russ Andrews cables are budget - what you want are these. Get them now while they're half price!!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nordost-Valha ... 2a308bceac


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