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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:16 pm 
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Possibly you recall this one >>>

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I now got pics of two other Zieleman frames/projects I have, a roadbike and a mountainbike(!)

The Type Special roadbike I got with full Nuovo Record in very good shape. The bike was used, but not abused. One day I will have it completey rebuilt with Nuovo Record. It is a beautifull red. 1982 vintage.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:43 pm 
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That is an absolutely gorgeous frame! It deserves nothing less than Super/Nuovo Record.


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It is a gorgeous frame ...not in the last place because of its gloss red colour. The craftmanship is something you will appreciate when you look more closely.

Tubing is by Columbus (probably SL or SP), dropouts are by Campagnolo and lugs are by Cinelli. Or at least I am quite sure on the later, but 100%. Let me know if you are of another opinion.

Detail: The "Zieleman" on top the stays it is made by the younger Ko Zieleman, the son. "KZ" (like on my black one) denotes the old KZ.

Of course the frame has a typical Dutch criterium style geometry. Makes a very fast bike.


Okay, the Mountainbike now.

A month ago I went to Amsterdam, to the old shop from Ko Zieleman. Nowadays it is a kind of very little bicycle repair shop by a family member. No idea how long it will exist this way. Anyway, there was one NOS frame left still: A mountainbike-frame. The frame was an experiment by Ko Zieleman to see whether producing mountainframes could be something for him. Few were made. It probably didn't catch on for the same reason why it didn't catch on with Colnago, Pinarello and for as far I know all the MTB attempts by traditional roadbike builders. After talking on Zieleman, nowadays cycling and 'the good old days', we opened negotiations. I were able to get my hands on the mountain beast.

You can see it is a frame by a roadbike builder. Quite much like the earliest (not the later junk) Colnago off road bikes. The Zieleman is neatly made with subtle transitions, sophisticated chainstay bridges, metal headbadge and even fluted tubing, but I am not a big fan of all the eyelets. Sure nice I could ever decide to make a more touring/randonneur orientated bike of it, but I normally use my bikes as performance bike and eyelets doesn't help performance looks. The angles look quite flat and (typical Zieleman!) paralel.

It has an expressive typical early 90s paintscheme. A green to purple fade on black.

The year it is built is most likely 1990.

The beast officially has no modelname, but let's call it 'Offroad Special'

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The fade & the flutes.

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No hollow steerer used, but a cylindric part that has been machined to fit a stem and fender. Probably Ko wasn't sure about the sturdyness of a traditional hollow steerer in severe rough terrain conditions.

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I started my active cycling live as mountainbiker, so this is for me a nice piece to have acquired: Zieleman & Mountainbike.


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Fantastic!! Congrats on both purchases, Mel! Both in excellent shape and the MTB is of course incredible special. I really like the paint scheme as well!


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me like..a lot..!!!
did he (zieleman) make cross frames to?


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Melvin, that Type Special is amazing, beautiful attention to detail with the lug work and stunning colour. Look forward to seeing it built up.

The Offroad Special :shock: . As you say, typical early 90s effort from a road builder, what on earth are a fluted top tube AND all the eyelets doing on the same frame? Would be interested to hear how it rides plus the rarity value - do you have any estimate of how many of these were made? Certainly can't be many in this condition!


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fritzlite wrote:
me like..a lot..!!!
did he (zieleman) make cross frames to?


Fritz,

I have no idea whether Zieleman ever made cross frames. I should try to find one. Tough job, as finding whatever kind of Zieleman is not so easy. They are rare, even overhere.


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Melvin, that Type Special is amazing, beautiful attention to detail with the lug work and stunning colour. Look forward to seeing it built up.

The Offroad Special :shock: . As you say, typical early 90s effort from a road builder, what on earth are a fluted top tube AND all the eyelets doing on the same frame? Would be interested to hear how it rides plus the rarity value - do you have any estimate of how many of these were made? Certainly can't be many in this condition!


Ed,

How many made? Hmm... will not be more than a couple is my guess. There happened to be another one offered through a famous classified site two weeks ago. It went to a friend, a fellow collector. It didn't have a fade paint. It was solid black. Haven't seen it in the flesh, so can't tell more on other detailling. As it was a used full bike, it wasn't NOS like mine. Possibly mine is the only NOS or like new condition one in existence. It wouldn't surprise me.


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the only phraise that came to mind was 'f**k me!' - both nice with lots of subtle details on that MTB frame - wont even nominate any sort of groupset for that except maybe Campagnolo.

MTB paint scheme reminds me of a recent purchase... :wink:


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Stunning Melvin, look forward to seeing them both built. If either are half as nice as your first 'type special' they will be outstanding 8)

Any idea what the off road special is built from?


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