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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:32 pm 
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hello guys ,what do you think about this Magnani ,photos are pretty poor ,sorry about that ,thanks :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/93352029@N ... 805096458/


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:52 pm 
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Location: Lisbon, Portugal
I have this Piero Zurino which i believe is a Losa frame but can´t be 100% sure because the lettering on the seatstay caps is a little different from all the losa frames i have seen. It has chromed seat/chain stays, bb shell and seat lug, also fork. Campagnolo dropouts and when i bought it had columbus sl decals that fell apart the first time i washed it. It is also a very light frame (around 1.6kg, fork around 0.68g).
I know Giovanni Losa made frames for different brands, and Piero zurino is/was a swiss bike shop with made to order bikes, it may or not be a losa frame but it is, i believe, a quality frame. I haven ridden it for some time and it is really fast , light and nervous.

This a rare bike, i have only found photos of another like this one, very little info. Judging by the groupset...85 (ish) ?

I have other chainrings (stronglight 50-38 mint) i can add, also included a couple of uniglide cogs.

I have a Jpeg with the decals, so it´s easy to have the decals made.

The frame has some superficial rust, nothing bad but it does need a respray, the chrome is fine. I have had it hanging on the wall in my living room for almost a year and i think it´s time for it to go.


Frame: Piero Zurino columbus sl , seatstays caps pantographed Losa , 55cm center to top.
Fork: full chrome, columbus sl, pantographed with Piero Zurino crown.

Headset: Shimano 600 ex Arabesque
Stem: Sr sakae fluted with red paint
Handlebar: Sr sakae road champion
Bar Tape: Japanese Cateye vinyl red

Brake Levers/Brifters: Shimano 600 ex arabesque
Brake Calipers: Shimano 600 ex arabesque
Brake Pads: Shimano 600 ex
Brake Cables: no brand

Shifters: Shimano 600 ex arabesque
Front Derailleur: Shimano 600 ex arabesque
Rear Derailleur: Shimano 600 ex arabesque
Derailleur Cables: no brand
Cassette: Shimano 600 ex (uniglide) 13-25
Chain: generic Sram (not period correct but works beautifully with this transmission).
Cranks: Shimano 600 ex arabesque , road 130bcd
Chainrings: Shimano 600 ex 52-42
Bottom Bracket: Italian thread, nos 105 (original Shimano 600 ex included), original Shimano 600 ex spindle 119
Pedals: Shimano 600 ex mint condition (boxed)

Rims: Weinnman alloy, tubular, were nos when the wheels were assembled, about 500kms of use
Hubs: Shimano 600 ex with lube ports, back one missing cap.
Hub Skewers: Shimano 600 ex
Nipples: ?
Spokes: ?
Tyres: Gommitalia tubular, almost new, about 500kms of use
Tubes:

Saddle: Ariake jaguar II NJS, was instaled nos and made around 500kms
Seatpost: 27.2 Shimano 600 aero
Seatpost Binder: campagnolo

Bottle Cage:
Extras:

Weight: around 9.5 kg ( depending on pedals)

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Further photos of the bike here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/prsu2skwetec288/JWG-UxsQu9

Photos of the pedals here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ce0j0j4le2xsixm/ewIg6N9_Dp


I have a value in mind but would appreciate your input.

Thank you

Edit: Just found this link today which seems to confirm it is a Losa frame, don´t know how accurate this info is...

http://www.zugzwang.ch/2012/06/traum-in-purpur-aus-mailand-losa.html


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:25 pm 
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Location: Completely in the dark, thanks to me good mate Terry....
Not a complete bike, just a wheelset I'm looking to part company with which has done some sterling service on my tourer. Spec is:

Mavic Open 4CD 700c rims, 36h back/front. Braking surfaces have the inevitable wear with missing anodising but good for some miles to come.
Shimano 105 36h QR hubs, grey finish so late 80s/early 90s? Rear is 7sp cassette, end of the freehub body is threaded so could well be UG as well as HG compatible? I've been running it with a 7sp HG-type cassette. Bearings good, QR skewers have a little surface rust.
Spokes are stainless double-butted with none broken. Rims seem to be running true despite clocking up many miles.
Wheels come complete with a pair of Vredestein Volante (I think) 25c tyres which are about a year old - the back one is a little worn, front one fine - and also tubes and rim tapes plus a Sigma computer magnet on the front wheel.

Any good suggestions for a ballpark asking price? Apologies for lack of accompanying pics; basically it's an early 90s (ish) training wheel set which although not in A1 condition is still very usable and has modern tyres/tubes included as an extra.

Thanks in advance for follow-ups.

David


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:40 pm 
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Hiya

Just after a rough idea of how much this bike may be worth as although i like it its a bit old school for me!

Its a Concorde prelude red and white
Columbus SL frame
size 57 i think
Campag veloce 9 speed
Shimano rx10c brakes
Mavic cxp30 wheels
san marco rolls saddle



Wont let me add photos sorry

Thanks for your help

Pete


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:30 pm 
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peteH wrote:
Hiya

Just after a rough idea of how much this bike may be worth as although i like it its a bit old school for me!

Its a Concorde prelude red and white
Columbus SL frame
size 57 i think
Campag veloce 9 speed
Shimano rx10c brakes
Mavic cxp30 wheels
san marco rolls saddle



Here are Pete's photo's.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:08 pm 
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I 'inherited' this ladies' Falcon "Designed by Ernie Clements" bike from my (still living) great aunt.

Didn't think it would be worth much but then saw just the badges going for 30 odd pounds on Ebay so thought I should check what it's worth before selling it to my housemate's girlfriend.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:12 pm 
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so then guys, how much is this worth? puch super sprint

came to me as an originalish bike, put new tyres, inner tubes, cables, bar tape chain and freewheel on, the basics, rebuilt the bike. well me and my dad did, kept it as a 'patina build' 23" frame.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:41 pm 
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peteH wrote:
Hiya

Just after a rough idea of how much this bike may be worth as although i like it its a bit old school for me!

Its a Concorde prelude red and white
Columbus SL frame
size 57 i think
Campag veloce 9 speed
Shimano rx10c brakes
Mavic cxp30 wheels
san marco rolls saddle

Wont let me add photos sorry

Thanks for your help

Pete

As no-one else is biting, I'll chance my arm.

Nice frame, much nicer than the mish-mash of parts, so definitely split frameset, wheelset and components for maximum return.

Frameset: £150+
Wheelset (assuming freewheel): £60-£75
Ergo Shifters: £40-£50
Chainset: £30-£35
Rear Dérailleur: £25-£30
Front Dérailleur: £15-£20
San Marco Rolls: £20-£25
Bars & stem (no idea what they are): £20-£40
Callipers: no idea really, but £15-£20?

Take all the above with a pinch of salt, as you can trawl old ads as well as I can, so this is just off the top of my head and reflects my prejudices/preferences; the frameset particularly is worth more research to make sure it's not undersold.

CXP30 are good rims, but a lot depends on what hubs they're on.

I've assumed the drivetrain is all Veloce 9 speed.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:47 pm 
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dyl wrote:
I 'inherited' this ladies' Falcon "Designed by Ernie Clements" bike from my (still living) great aunt.

Didn't think it would be worth much but then saw just the badges going for 30 odd pounds on Ebay so thought I should check what it's worth before selling it to my housemate's girlfriend.

I think your first instincts were right: "designed by" reeks of slapping a pedigree name on a mongrel product.

If I remember correctly, Falcon ended up buying a lot of great names and then churning out very so-so bikes that traded on these once great brands.

That's not to say your bike is rubbish, but it's nothing special. It looks to be in decent nick and if I got £50 I'd think I'd done well: I suppose it depends on how much you like your housemate (or his girlfriend).


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:01 pm 
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Raleighracer wrote:
so then guys, how much is this worth? puch super sprint

came to me as an originalish bike, put new tyres, inner tubes, cables, bar tape chain and freewheel on, the basics, rebuilt the bike. well me and my dad did, kept it as a 'patina build' 23" frame.

ignore the pump, was just playing

cheers

Practically nothing: you'd do well to recover the cost of the new parts you've fitted, even if you did find a buyer.

You rebuilt it with your Dad? So it has sentimental value to you both, so ride it and enjoy it for what it is.

I'm happy to be corrected, but I don't recall Puch making anything but run-of-the-mill bikes and judging by the components, this came from the bottom of a modest heap.

Love it for what it is: a perfectly decent, but nondescript runabout.

PS It's not a 23" frame, looks more like 20"/21".


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