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 Post subject: Lance Armstrong Kit
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:08 pm 
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So in preparation for our impending house move, we've been boxing up and clearing out. Buried in my kit was a jersey i must have bought around 25 hazy years ago. Time has been kind to it, my physique, not so much :facepalm:

Id never realised, but after some google work, its the Motorola/USA type as worn by Mr Armstrong which made me wonder, in light of everything, is there a fan base these days?

Despite my wifes suggestion (after she stopped laughing at me wearing it) its probably worth more to me in sentiment than cold hard cash, i still really like it and it does remind me of simpler (personnal) times, id be quite happy to bury is for another 25 years

Matt


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 Post subject: Re: Lance Armstrong Kit
PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:23 am 
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Keep it!
I still have a pair of Nike US Postal shorts from back in 99 or so. Sentimental reasons for keeping, but still fit and still in great condition despite many miles of wear and tear.
They might be Lances team but back then we didn't know what was to come so he, and the gear meant something different back then to what it would mean to buy his kit today. Not the biggest fan, either back then or today but I had these shorts when I travelled from home in Oz to watch the 2001 Tour so my attachment is not so much to do with Lance.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:48 pm 
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He still has plenty of fans, look at how many listen to his podcasts for example. Most people realise he was just one of the many (most) who were doing exactly the same sort of thing, they were before him and they still are. He was just treated differently.

Some say he bullied so he deserved it but that's not what the ban was about. I'm all for cheats being banned, I'd personally ban all for life no second chances, but everyone should be treated the same and they are not. For example you have people who have admitted to being career long cheats who got a slap on the wrist and then re-hired by the team (Matt White).

So if you like the kit use it.


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 Post subject: Re: Lance Armstrong Kit
PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:56 pm 
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It is one of those things that to me doesn't really matter. I myself looked quite deeply into the whole drug issue in 2016, which was my last year of racing time trials in the UK and it was quite clear to me that the sport is riddled with drugs - at all levels. And across all sports as well.

If I was to go into detail about all the ins and outs about it, it would make for a very long reply indeed; so I will spare the sanity of people on here by not doing that! Suffice to say I have been in the sport long enough to know what the drug issue is about, the shady past, and what riders and other pro athletes today are doing to undertake their sport to win, using methods that to the eyes of someone who believes in fair play, is wrong.

I myself have a 1998 US Postal Trek OCLV which is my good summer bike, it was the first ever US Postal frame that came into the UK. I have absolutely no problem riding it; it is a fantastic bike that rides amazingly well. I even have a pair of Lightweight wheels from that era as well that I got for hill climbs and hilly time trials, which are the same spec as used by Ullrich and Armstrong at the time. and yes I also have a US Postal top/shorts and also arm warmers.

The key point to make is that the Armstrong era will of course be known as the 'epo era' and rightly has been outed as a terrible time. However I believe that without doubt it is still going on; it is just that the techniques used are different. Think of it like crime; the smart criminals are moving onto online crime, the stupid criminals are still going into physical shops and trying to rob them, and getting caught.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:35 pm 
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Thanks for the insight and replies guys, much appreciated.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:55 am 
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It's not just "smart criminals" they had the big epo saga and got a second chance but everyone knows they can't afford another or it will be the end of pro cycling. So as long as they're not stupid and all stick to the same stuff (I don't think it's a single thing these days) they absolutely will not bring in tests for what they're on. The dirty DS's saying people aren't being caught therefore it's clean is absolute nonsense.

Of course they're fine catching the stupid, the ones still taking epo or being caught on cam doing blood transfusions but they are just low hanging fruit.

To me things are worse than the epo years. Back then everyones level was brought up fairly equally so it was still pretty much a level playing field, apart from the few who refused to dope of course. These days you get people who are doing things putting them heads and shoulders above the rest at certain times. Like Yates, like Alaphilippe, like Doumolin... It's so blatant.

But all sports are the same, no one is serious about tackling it. I remember when a few people used to suggest that they should just let them take what they want and I used to think that was silly. However with everyone turning blind to it I don't think it's that silly anymore. At least it would be more honest.


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