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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:10 pm 
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Thank you , it's a 10 speed so it's a majestic.I am in the process of restoring it but I am in two minds about respraying as it's a lovely colour .


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 Post subject: Re: SWB Tandem age?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:08 pm 
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Hello,

I have USWB Tandem. The number on the fork is 406867. Does this make it made in June 1944?

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 Post subject: Re: SWB Tandem age?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:23 pm 
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rscrase wrote:
Hello,

I have USWB Tandem. The number on the fork is 406867. Does this make it made in June 1944?

Thanks


Doubtful, neither 1934 or 1944 would have a 0 immediately after the year. Dating by numbers alone is always sketchy.
Without photos of the whole bike, plus details, plus the number we would just be guessing, sorry

Ps. Are you sure the second digit isn’t a 9?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:37 pm 
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The numbers are very clear. The sturmey rear hub is 1955 so 1954? I'll prepare some pictures.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:45 pm 
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Hi i have uploaded a picture at start of my 1981 bike project .


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:59 pm 
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rscrase wrote:
The numbers are very clear. The sturmey rear hub is 1955 so 1954? I'll prepare some pictures.


Pictures would be great, because without we can only work via a process of elimination,
Claud was making Tandems way back in 1934, but didn’t list the Ultra Short Wheel Base in the ’34 catalogue. The War did reduce the range, but in 1942 the USWB was advertised, so maybe some were being built in 1944.
The problem with your number is that it doesn’t fit anything from 1931-1949 as explained earlier, those years would have been the first digit followed by the month without a precursory 0. (so June 1934 or 44 would be start 46 not 406.
The system from 1950 to 1956 would have to have a 5 in it.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:05 pm 
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mulcahyronan wrote:
Hi i have uploaded a picture at start of my 1981 bike project .


Ah ha! see? Photo's make all the difference, I believe what you have there my friend is a Bronze 'Sovereign' not much different from the Majestic, certainly rarer...


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:50 am 
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Hi Guys,
Just found picked up what appears to be a 1951 Claud Butler "Worlds Championship Sprint " model track bike in original condition. Are these early bikes very common.
The stickers on the frame mention where it was sold when new and although I purchased it in country Victoria, Australia the bike may have been sold in New Zealand.
I have never seen or heard of such a brand here in Australia before I purchased this bike. I would like to post a few photos if some one can help out.

frame numbers are stamped underneath
512
5361

The bike also has a front seat support and the inch pitch tooth chain and ring gear is still in good condition. The original pedals and toe clips and straps are OK. The paint colour is a metallic Grey and still has most of the transfers/stickers in tact and readable.

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Dave


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:45 am 
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twin4 wrote:
Hi Guys,
Just found picked up what appears to be a 1951 Claud Butler "Worlds Championship Sprint " model track bike in original condition. Are these early bikes very common.
The stickers on the frame mention where it was sold when new and although I purchased it in country Victoria, Australia the bike may have been sold in New Zealand.
I have never seen or heard of such a brand here in Australia before I purchased this bike. I would like to post a few photos if some one can help out.

frame numbers are stamped underneath
512
5361

The bike also has a front seat support and the inch pitch tooth chain and ring gear is still in good condition. The original pedals and toe clips and straps are OK. The paint colour is a metallic Grey and still has most of the transfers/stickers in tact and readable.

Regards
Dave


Hello Dave,
Photos would be great to see, if your struggling to post them, please email me and I’ll pop them up.
The number you’ve posted is intriguing. As with an approximate average of 600 frames a month, February’s numders would be somewhere in the 600-1200 bracket.
Make sure you send us a good photo of the frame number, maybe even two from different angles.

As for your question about it being rare. Although they were in the range from 1949 right up to CB’s demise in 1956 & with it being the most expensive of the track/path models, I’ve never seen one in the flesh! So I’m looking forward to seeing the photos as it sounds like you’ve found something very special.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:41 pm 
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Only just picKed up this thread. Delighted to find that someone has taken the trouble to sort out the Holdsworth / Claud Butler numbers
1 have 3 Claud Butler frames - a 1948 International Club (frame 8104253) a 1959 Cordon Bleu (frame 2533) and a 1961 Cordon Blue (frame 17152). Only the International Club had any of the original finish remaining and I have restored this one to something close to how it was when new. The 1959 CB posed a slight problem in the restoration as there was no correct seat tube decal available for it (there are many Holdsworth CB frames out there carrying repro decals with the CB Clapham address !) This has now been rectified as Steve Ford & I managed to put the artwork together and Steve (Lloyds) has this one in stock - it is similar to the classic CB 'shield' design but has the SE20 address (not in a white panel). There are a few other CB decals that are not available - particularly versions of this design that were used pre war. One last point - there are many who would say that CB frames built by Holdsworth are not 'proper' Claud Butler's. I suppose one could argue that this is true. However, the build quality of my '59 Cordon Bleu is as good as most of the other frames that i own (and there are quite a few) and furthermore, it is the lightest lugged frame that I have in my collection


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