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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:20 pm 
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oldyellr wrote:
I just weighed my 1951 New Allrounder, 21-3/4" frame.
Frame 2134 gm, fork 744 gm.


Good reference, cheers


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:04 pm 
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Peachy! wrote:
My pleasure.... build thread now please... come on, chop chop :wink:


Of course! I'm on it......I'm good at starting build threads............ :lol:

oldyellr wrote:
I just weighed my 1951 New Allrounder, 21-3/4" frame.
Frame 2134 gm, fork 744 gm.


Agreed - good reference.

Top work gents, cheers!

Just started stripping paint off the forks - turns out it's had a few coats in the past......the original being a cream or light lemon yellow and I've found evidence of red box lining on the fork. Will get that build thread going.........quite excited about this one.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:43 pm 
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I was surprised that my frame weighed more than sherlylock's, even though it's smaller, but my fork weighs less. But then it has a shorter steerer tube and no crown race. The frame has corroded chrome and the remnants of the original gear cable guide plus a new one that was added.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:21 pm 
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oldyellr wrote:
I was surprised that my frame weighed more than sherlylock's, even though it's smaller, but my fork weighs less. But then it has a shorter steerer tube and no crown race. The frame has corroded chrome and the remnants of the original gear cable guide plus a new one that was added.
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Nice detail... :D .
But why are you surprised that your frame weighs more? :|
Read back through the thread... yours is a 531 plain gauged New Allrounder, Sherlylock's is a 531 butted Avant Coureur (although it took a while to get there granted :facepalm: )


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:13 pm 
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Hi all,
I’ve cleared out my dads loft and found a Claud Butler frame and forks. I have read through these posts dating back a couple of years, with various sequences used for frame numbers, the frame I have has 3 numbers “150” on the crank tube, and the numbers/letters “63536 AA” at the top of the seat tube. I was just looking for a little advice in terms of working out what I have. The frame measures 23” and interestingly, the paint is like new, part of the rear triangle is chrome plated, as are the forks. The frame decals state “Coureur”, brakes have “Weinmann 610, Vainqueur 999 on them. I hope you guys can find a little time to help. Thanks


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:56 pm 
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Pap wrote:
Hi all,
I’ve cleared out my dads loft and found a Claud Butler frame and forks. I have read through these posts dating back a couple of years, with various sequences used for frame numbers, the frame I have has 3 numbers “150” on the crank tube, and the numbers/letters “63536 AA” at the top of the seat tube. I was just looking for a little advice in terms of working out what I have. The frame measures 23” and interestingly, the paint is like new, part of the rear triangle is chrome plated, as are the forks. The frame decals state “Coureur”, brakes have “Weinmann 610, Vainqueur 999 on them. I hope you guys can find a little time to help. Thanks



Sorry Pap, no chance without photos....
The "Coureur" was dropped from the range in 1966, the "Super Coureur" was dropped for 1968... the number "63536" would point towards 1972.... BUT, that would be on the underside of the Bottom Bracket (What I assume you are referring to as the crank tube?)

So.. photos please and we will be happy to help.. if you’d prefer you can email them to me via chris.peachypm@btinternet.com


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:44 pm 
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Hi
Thank you for you offer to help. I have emailed a number of photos as per your post.
Many thanks


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:06 pm 
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Pap wrote:
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Thank you for you offer to help. I have emailed a number of photos as per your post.
Many thanks


First impression is of a very nice Coureur…But….something’s not quite right.. :|

1. Ok, so this one has me stumped.... straight brake bridge means post 1976 I believe…
2. Number is not in the usual place for a CB and if it were a CB would point towards 1972.
3. We know the last Coureur was made in 1965..
4. Pretty sure those lugs were not used on the Coureurs..
5. And the forks don’t look like anything I’ve seen before on a CB.
6. And I've never seen those rear drop-outs on a Claud...

Ok, so first thing, please undo the headset and see what the number is on the forks…
And what does the Reynolds tubing sticker say exactly?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:25 pm 
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Hi
Photos of Reynolds transfer & fork number sent. Number on fork and frame both state “150”
Thanks


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:34 pm 
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Pap wrote:
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Photos of Reynolds transfer & fork number sent. Number on fork and frame both state “150”
Thanks


Well at least you know it’s a matching frame set... the CB Coureurs were all plain gauge, none were ever butted so unfortunately it looks like someone’s re-finished this incorrectly, perhaps assuming it’s a CB Coureur or maybe was misinformed...


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