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 Post subject: Re: Claud frame numbers
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:41 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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I have a CB track-iron, reputedly one of six supplied to Reg Harris - no. 862426, stamped on both BB and fork. I've always thought this dates it to 1948, but may be wrong! Any ideas? Cheers, Bob


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 Post subject: Re: Claud frame numbers
PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:22 pm 
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rw bamberg wrote:
I have a CB track-iron, reputedly one of six supplied to Reg Harris - no. 862426, stamped on both BB and fork. I've always thought this dates it to 1948, but may be wrong! Any ideas? Cheers, Bob


None without pictures I'm afraid Bob, they tell a thousand stories don't you know? :xmas-big-grin:

It would be pretty cool to see a Reg Harris CB on here, and I can understand your interest in discovering if the bike actually is from 1948. different angles of the lugs, drop outs, BB, braze ons (if any) etc would help a great deal. :xmas-wink:


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:56 pm 
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Actually, it's identical to the '1949 CB World Champion Path' in Classic Lightweights 'Readers' Bikes', except that [a] it's not drilled for a brake, & [b] it's been (badly) resprayed. As soon as the weather improves, I'll do as you advise: take some outdoor pics, & post 'em on the website. Thanks for the suggestion! Cheers, Bob


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:14 pm 
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I forgot to say that it measures 23" ST c-t-t x 22.5" TT c-t-c. I don't know what size frame Reg Harris rode, but this may offer a clue as to its authenticity (or not!). Cheers, Bob


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:41 pm 
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Hi Chris,
Is this bike #62 of September 1948 or 4809 of February 1946? Or something completely different!
David


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:42 pm 
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Hi Chris,
Is this bike #62 of September 1948 or 4809 of February 1946? Or something completely different!
David


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:11 pm 
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Better photos would help, especially with pin-pointing exactly what bike it is, but let’s see what we can do with the info we have;
1. Six figure number without a zero at the front defiantly puts it as a “Claud” Claud rather than a Holdsworth Claud.
2. Continental rear drop outs all pre 1956 (unless someone added them themselves-unlikely)
3. I’d say unlikely to be September of 1948, but only because I’ve never seen the prefix of zero before the month (09) on a frame before, ie it would 489 not 4809.
4. The six lends itself towards either 1936 or 1946, and possibly February, but 4809 frames in two months? That certainly tests the theory, but I’m hedging my bets that production in 1936 was higher than 1946, Claud certainly had a wider range that year.
5. Without any better photos, my first guess would be the then brand new 1936 Anglo-Continental, as that had the continental drop outs and the fillet brazed smooth lugs.
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But then it could be a 1946 Sports Tourist
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Or even an International club as advertised in 1948
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But of course, this is only my best guess, although if I’m correct and it is an Anglo-Continental from 1936, then yes, it is special.
If you can add more detailed photos, then please do.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:04 pm 
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Off hand, looks to me more like a very late 40's International Club.

Interpreting this number is confusing. Sometimes confusion is generated by an incorrectly read number. This does look pretty clearly as 624809 albeit the 2 is possibly double stamped and "6" slightly unclear. Are you convinced or is it perhaps worthwhile scraping some paint off "6" or better still pulling fork to look at stem numbers?

Also agree worthwhile to post more and better pics. I think lug-less. Pics with details of dropouts, fork crown, seat cluster, decals on DT, ST and HT would help ID. Could be in original paint? Nice.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:25 pm 
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Seat post clamp & top of seat stay detail


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:26 pm 
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Brake bridge detail


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