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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:00 pm 
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It’s a 1951 New Allrounder
5110 4815 = 1951, October, production number 4815
It’s got the New Allrounder Bi-lams
Check http://nkilgariff.com/CBcats/Cat_51Mar/ ... ar_Cat.htm
I’m guessing it’s had a respray, the head badge is a post 1960 Holdsworth version and the fairground letters on the down tube are a bit freaky…sorry.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:05 pm 
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Peachy! wrote:
It’s a 1951 New Allrounder
5110 4815 = 1951, October, production number 4815
It’s got the New Allrounder Bi-lams
Check http://nkilgariff.com/CBcats/Cat_51Mar/ ... ar_Cat.htm
I’m guessing it’s had a respray, the head badge is a post 1960 Holdsworth version and the fairground letters on the down tube are a bit freaky…sorry.

Cheers mate appreciate that,yeah literally got it today going to strip it and start again,its been in same family passed down now I’ve got it
it’s a bit addictive isnt it my holdsworth looks lonely needs a few vintage partners


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:04 pm 
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New Allrounder 1951 October


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:10 pm 
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oldyellr wrote:
New Allrounder 1951 October

Cheers pal 8) now it’s get that paint off time.......


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:51 pm 
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Peachy! wrote:
CaptainWheezy wrote:
Peachy! wrote:
I’d like to help but can’t see any of the images


Sorry about that, google photo's being a pain. Shared the album, hopefully that will be a bit more successful!


No problem, hope you don’t mind but I’ve screen grabbed the most relevant....

Initial gut feeling is a European or a Coureur... CBguy might have a better idea


Captain Wheeezy and Peachy!

We've had this frame in serial data I had previously collected - obtained from your post on the other forum a few years ago. Learning the evolution of the various Holdsworthy/Claud models, after collecting many examples and studying cataogues, in my opinion it must be a standard Coureur or Super Coureur. (Only difference re standard/Super was the rear derailleur of which you don't apparently have.)

It predicts to 1964 which was year that Coureur went from Nervex Legere to Prugnat plain short point lugs as on your frame. Oiler on top of BB, as this frame, was present until 1965 when switch was made to bottom of BB. Only other frame with this style of Prugnat lugs was Olympic road-path which had track rear dropouts. So... frame features fit with prediction date.

(The European had Prugnat 62S lugs.)

Hope this helps,
Doug


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:33 pm 
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CBguy wrote:
Captain Wheeezy and Peachy!

We've had this frame in serial data I had previously collected - obtained from your post on the other forum a few years ago. Learning the evolution of the various Holdsworthy/Claud models, after collecting many examples and studying cataogues, in my opinion it must be a standard Coureur or Super Coureur. (Only difference re standard/Super was the rear derailleur of which you don't apparently have.)

It predicts to 1964 which was year that Coureur went from Nervex Legere to Prugnat plain short point lugs as on your frame. Oiler on top of BB, as this frame, was present until 1965 when switch was made to top of BB. Only other frame with this style of Prugnat lugs was Olympic road-path which had track rear dropouts. So... frame features fit with prediction date.

(The European had Prugnat 62S lugs.)

Hope this helps,
Doug


CBguy, Peachy, many thanks for this. I'd eventually like to get it re-painted so this should allow me to search for authentic paint schemes. Fortunately I live just down the road from Vernon Barker cycles. Always fancied one of his bikes but couldn't justify it. Maybe a nice paint job from him will suffice!

I do have a rear derailleur (Huret, unknown model, i know nothing of these vintage bits, they're mostly older than me!) which was in a box of bits along with the frame, not sure if it came off it though.

Thanks again,

Lee


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:59 pm 
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Just been given this. The donor said his father purchased this after being demobbed after national service. This could have been 1949 or 1959 if the first digit ( is either 1949 or 1959. As he died in 2019 and was 84, I would opt for 1959 as he would have been in his early 20's.
I have seen no mention of the letter T after any of the frame numbers. What does the "T" signify?
I have attached a few photographs and will post more when I have dismantled the bike.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:38 pm 
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Very nice,
Definitely 1949. Probably an International club, see here; http://nkilgariff.com/CBcats/Cat_49/P5.jpg
The 1 digit denoting the year finished in 1949, and anyway Claud went bust in 1956.

Derailleur, bars and stem not original…


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