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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:55 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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Hi Chris,
Forks are oval in section.
I haven’t had chance to look at the fork number yet.
Here’s a picture of the seat tube decal. It’s in pretty poor condition.
Yes, I’ll do a build thread.
I want to keep the paint as is. Wondering how best to protect it though. Car wax?
I bought it as a frame set with headset only.

So far I’ve put a Shimano bb on it I had lying around. Plus a Brooks saddle and an alloy seatpost. Bars, a very short stem and a pair of B&T brake levers are also on.
I have a set of alloy centre pull B&T Manx brakes to fit. I had to modify the centre pull yoke to accept modern cables and had some cable clamps made up by a friend to replace the originals that were seized.
I bought a pair of modern 26x1 3/8” alloy single speed wheels and a chain to suit. The rear fits okay, but the front axle spindle is too large on the diameter, so will get that reduced to fit.
I have a crankset that fits but it’s very worn and has lots of surface rust.
Only missing the bar tape!.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:08 pm 
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Location: Cotswolds
From what I can see this looks late pre war. 26 inch wheels, chainstay bridge drilled vertically (might have been for gas escape or bonderising, no exit into the bottom bracket). Double box lining was used post war, but rapidly diminishing.

Back in the 40s/50s B&T brakes had a poor reputation, I had no personal experience of them.

Keith


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:28 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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Thanks Keith,
You’ve already warned me of the poor performance of the B&T brakes on another thread. Thankfully I live in the Vale of York, so no hills.
BTW, they didn’t come with the bike, but were in a box of bits handed down to me by my grandfather. He was a keen club cyclist in the 30’s & 40’s.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:48 pm 
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Hi DK,
At my age (85) forgetting is easy, I only come here because I keep on being reminded of things I thought I had forgotten. In this case I had forgotten.

I do recall having a conversation with Claud Butler at Earls Court cycle show, might have been 1955, no idea what we talked about.

So I am probably a mine of useless misinformation.

Keith


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:59 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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Hi Keith,
What you consider useless can be valuable to others. Thanks for sharing your recollections.
David


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:45 am 
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Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
I've been looking at Claud Butler serials over the past few years, especially the mysterious period between the Holdsworthy takeover in 1958 until the 1976 factory move. The post 1976 6 digit combined Claud/Holdsworth system has pretty well been nailed down with dwscrimshaw's work.

I'd promised PeachyPM I'd get my info to him... however its here and there and everywhere!!! Managed last couple days to sort out all the scraps of paper and bits and bytes from desktop and Mac laptop, checked sources and placed info and pics with references in a somewhat orderly fashion into albums on my Flickr account.

There are 36 frames/bikes between years 1959 to 1976 factory move. Probably a dozen I consider good data points. Peachy, hopefully there are a few you don't already have and will be of help.

I think a clear trend is emerging and for my own use I've put together a working prediction table with a volume of builds for each year. With your present numbers and more that owners continue to add, hopefully a graph(s) and prediction table will be not far from publication.

Here's my Flickr Album page: good data point numbers are marked with***
https://www.flickr.com/photos/76762476@N05/albums

Doug

PS: Added rough working copy of "Prediction Table" to the serial Flickr album above. SUBJECT TO CHANGE! But I think a good starting point.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:13 am 
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Great stuff Doug


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:33 pm 
Dirt Disciple

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I recently sent in a post re. my CB World Champion track-iron no. 862426, reputedly supplied to Reg Harris for the 1948 Olympics. Sadly, it transpires that this is unlikely; while it dates to 1948 and is a decent frame, expert opinion suggests that the build isn't of sufficient quality to be one of his. Still, you can't win 'em all! Cheers, Bob


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:41 pm 
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rw bamberg wrote:
I recently sent in a post re. my CB World Champion track-iron no. 862426, reputedly supplied to Reg Harris for the 1948 Olympics. Sadly, it transpires that this is unlikely; while it dates to 1948 and is a decent frame, expert opinion suggests that the build isn't of sufficient quality to be one of his. Still, you can't win 'em all! Cheers, Bob


Don't be down hearted Bob, specialists can be wrong you know, and we’d certainly be interested in exactly where the frame fell down quality wise, did the sage give you an explanation? :roll:

And will we be seeing a build thread anytime soon? :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:56 pm 
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Thanks for the kind comment. I've since sold the frame to a mate who's restoring it, but will ask him to post some pics of the finished product - he's still convinced that it's the real McCoy! Best regards, Bob


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