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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:36 pm 
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Very well done that man, a lot of work there, and we now know what you do with yourself on the cold winter evenings.
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In working with Dave Scrimshaw and his development of a large Holdsworthy serial database, it has become clear that what at first appears utterly confusing and unsolvable re particular numbers or at best a theory becomes much clearer as new and good data surfaces.

To that end and to build your data, I'd encourage forum members to contribute their serial information, particularly post Holdworthy takeover, to this thread or yourself privately. Any accompanying history, documentation, and pics of a particular frame with actual numbering pic would be helpful.

Yes exactly, I've only got the one in my collection which being a Majestic probably won't add a lot of info but I shall add the frame number details as soon as I can anyway. I've got to do the same with my Holdsworth's on dwscrimshaws similar superb thread, so as soon as the sideways rain stops one weekend I'll get the camera out.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:54 am 
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Cheers Allen, they all count!

And Dave also collects the six digit Holdsworth Clauds as well...


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:08 pm 
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1952 Jubilee

5212 6004. Under BB shell. Matching numbers on fork steerer tube.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:12 pm 
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1977 Competitor.

Paintwork original. New graphics added to original pattern. Clear coated.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:01 am 
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Hello Dr Nosh, thanks for adding your two Clauds, I love the lime green Jubilee and the number is interesting as well, showing that some bikes are built the year before they were advertised to be sold, as the Jubilee was specifically brought out to celebrate 1953 as CB’s ‘25th Jubilee’ year, I would assume it could well have been one of the last made that year with a frame number so high (’52 must have been a bumper year) and you could also probably claim it as one of the earliest Jubilee's ever built.

As for your 1977 Competitor, do you have any basis for the date? I only ask because there’s some evidence to suggest it’s a later model:
1st; My 1977 Cavalier is only number 005616 pretty much in line with one year of the new combined Holdsworth & Claud Butler number system, they really didn’t have the capacity to produce over 25 thousand bikes in one year, 025631 would suggest 1980.
2nd; The brazed on top tube cable run, introduced I believe in 1980. The 1977 Competitor had clips only.
3rd; In 1977 it would still have had the pressed metal badge.
4th; The Competitor was dropped from the range in 1981, that, the braze-ons & the number pretty much nails it to 1980.
Yours is a cracking looking bike, very well presented.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:11 pm 
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I could be wrong. Just ask the wife :lol:

I got hold of this brochure cover. Somehow I thought it was 1977 - Either read somewhere, physical or on line, or somebody told me.

(Just look at those Tudor Sports' training tops. Still available).

The side on picture indeed shows top tube cable clips. Can't make out the head badge. My frame did not have 2 holes for the rivets of a pressed badge, suggesting adhesive badge from new.

The 531 badge on the fork leg has a 'spear' design below. Mine was the badge only, without the spear. (The frame decals and paint were all original when I acquired it).


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:28 pm 
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Yeah that’s the late ‘76-mid ‘77 .... great outfits, I remember my older cousins wearing similar.
I’ve got this and the late ‘77-early ‘78 as well... just wish I had the ‘79 & ‘80 as Holdsworthy mucked about with the ranges. (They must be out there somewhere)


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 Post subject: New Claud Catalogues
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:59 pm 
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Bit of good news, a new person has now taken over administration officially of the nkilgariff History site. :xmas-big-grin:

I’ve sent him scans from my collection plus some downloaded from the internet (sources acknowledged) so now the Claud Butler page has the following updates to the catalogues;
1934 (new)
1935 (update)
1938 (update)
1943-45 (update)
1947 (update)
1955 early (new)
1965 (new)
1981 (update)
1987 (new)

Link here http://www.nkilgariff.com/ClaudButler.htm
If you’ve visited the page before, you may need to delete your browser history to access this updated page. :xmas-wink:


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:20 pm 
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Nice one.

Just looking back through the nkilgariff page, reminded me of a Jubilee that I saw for sale at the l'eroica 2014 or 2015 at Bakewell. Chap wanted £650 which I thought a bit high, didn't really have the room and the n+1 formula was wearing thin with the wife...... :cry:

I next saw it for sale on the Steel Vintage of Berlin web site. Can't remember the price but I wish that I had bought it when 1st seen.

To my 'untrained' eye the bike looked very original with the flamboyant paint finish as mentioned in the 1953 sales catalogue for the model. (Reminded me a bit of the 70's custom paint finishes as a 'tinted' clear coat over metallic base coat), chrome forks (my jubilee showed evidence of chrome under about 10 layers of paint, so I re-chromed them during the resto.)

This is it:


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:00 pm 
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Great colour there Dr Nosh, I'd be hard pushed to sell my Jubilee as I couldnt put a price on the work I've put into it.


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