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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:33 pm 
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I have a cup and cone Campag Record BB with 111mm axle, but later Record cranks which need 102mm.

Are there 102mm axles available to do a swap, or did Campy go cartridge at this time?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:22 pm 
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I believe that 109 is the shortest the cup&cone bbs went and they went to cartridge at that length first before getting lower in profile. I'm not 100% on this though. This guy would know for sure:

http://www.campyoldy.co.uk


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:05 pm 
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I'm sure you're right, paul_tea. Campag had already gone cartridge when Record cranks used a 111mm BB. I don't believe there's ever been a 102mm cup-and-cone BB.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:22 pm 
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Cup and cone BBs need lockrings.

There isn't room for a lockring on anything shorter than 110.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:41 pm 
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Yip. The Pista 111mm track BB went cartridge and that was it. End of.

There is a range of 102 or 103mm bb's you could go for. Most are cheaper and some are lighter than Record, but I doubt if they will be as smooth or last as long.

The 102mm cartridge Chorus BB is a beaut. I think you might be able to pick them up in clearance sections soon as the 'UT' design has really taken off.

PS: not much in the way of bearing seals in anything less than Centaur.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:37 am 
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Thanks guys.

Next question, do Campy cartridge bottom brackets use a Shimano tool, or do I have to go buy a new one?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:42 am 
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Yes, get a dedicated tool for it. You will need it. The lower end ones use a FAG style cup tool and the cartridge ones use a Shimano style internal fitting one.
Go for the PARK one but Lifo are good too.

This will fit Record/Chorus and Athena.

http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/product.asp? ... rc=froogle

Daytona/Veloce/Mirage etc will need this:

http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/src/froogle/ ... ol-875.htm


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:40 pm 
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FSA Ultimax. Available in JIS and ISO and TI or cromo. Same fitting tool as Shimano BBs.

In my experience less smooth when new but more reliable long-term than record.

The small bearings on the drive side of the record and chorus bbs are notorious for wearing out fast, even though there are 2 of them. I wore 2 out in a year once.

If you need a campag compatible one with BSA thread, I can let you have the I used while I was waiting for Ultra-Torque to come out. £45 plus postage. All my other road bikes have italian thread...


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Got a nos Ultimax ti from eBay for £30. For some reason the seller hasn't put the word "bottom" in the title, which may explain why they are not selling...


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