Headbadge ID - is it anything?
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one-eyed_jim
Old School Grand Master
I don't recognize the badge, but those head rings look a lot like this Dawes (Star) Celeste:
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S1m0nR
Old School Hero
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Thanks chaps,
Yeah - those head lugs are pretty ornate and unusual. The frame has a 531 Renovated sticker on it and appears to be pretty light. It's got pressed dropouts (not forged) so that suggests to me that it's either low-rent or sometime pre about 1980. Not a very precise way of dating it, I know.
I think it probably received some of its more modern components at the time of renovation, so there's not much to tell there. I can't discern any serial numbers or other useful markings.
A couple more pics:
Many thanks!
Thanks chaps,
Yeah - those head lugs are pretty ornate and unusual. The frame has a 531 Renovated sticker on it and appears to be pretty light. It's got pressed dropouts (not forged) so that suggests to me that it's either low-rent or sometime pre about 1980. Not a very precise way of dating it, I know.
I think it probably received some of its more modern components at the time of renovation, so there's not much to tell there. I can't discern any serial numbers or other useful markings.
A couple more pics:
Many thanks!
one-eyed_jim
Old School Grand Master
Well, I think that clinches it. It's a Dawes Celeste or Star Celeste. Those decorative chromed head-tube rings (they're not actually lugs: the frame is bronze welded) were a patented Dawes feature.
Late sixties to mid seventies. Look for a serial number on the rear dropout.
Late sixties to mid seventies. Look for a serial number on the rear dropout.
one-eyed_jim
Old School Grand Master
S1m0nR
Old School Hero
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Wow - that's some pretty amazing detective work!
Many thanks to everyone who answered the thread, really great to get an answer both to what the 'headbadge' is and also to what the bike is. I didn't know that Dawes were using decorative headtube rings, or indeed that they were building lugless frames that early on.
Cheers
Wow - that's some pretty amazing detective work!
Many thanks to everyone who answered the thread, really great to get an answer both to what the 'headbadge' is and also to what the bike is. I didn't know that Dawes were using decorative headtube rings, or indeed that they were building lugless frames that early on.
Cheers
one-eyed_jim
Old School Grand Master
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Robbied196
Senior Retro Guru
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Lugless frames were most prolific during and after the war when there was a shortage of steel. It became cheaper to pay a skilled craftsman to fillet braze the frame tubes together, than buy steel lugs.
Times have changed somewhat
S1m0nR":2mo24pf6 said:they were building lugless frames that early on.
Cheers
Lugless frames were most prolific during and after the war when there was a shortage of steel. It became cheaper to pay a skilled craftsman to fillet braze the frame tubes together, than buy steel lugs.
Times have changed somewhat
